Yes, we can.

[Morrigoon]

(sigh) I guess the Monroe Doctrine is no longer en vogue.

(Probably wouldn't work in today's world anyway. It's a nice thought though)

[Moonliner]

Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight

Did he say "slight"? He said "worlds". Hell, there's a good chance he could be worse. Put someone in there with similar goals a Bush, but with a glimmer of intelect and I shudder to imagine.

If McCain wins, I will consider it a failure of the electorate. Failure.

More than 75% of the country says we're headed in the wrong direction, and yet half the country wants to vote for McCain? It boggles.

I think most of those people, myself included, do not equate McCain with Bush and his policies. With Bush it's as much his cronies as it is him. Certainly there is no love between McCain and Rove. Cheney will be gone. So already we are way ahead. Plus unlike Obama, McCain would, in all probability, be facing an unfriendly congress. That will help to limit his more extreme policies. So overall I'd take McCain over Bush any day of the week. If I'd take him over Obama, well I'll have to get back to you on that....

[Cadaverous Pallor]

Originally Posted by Moonliner

I think most of those people, myself included, do not equate McCain with Bush and his policies. With Bush it's as much his cronies as it is him. Certainly there is no love between McCain and Rove. Cheney will be gone. So already we are way ahead. Plus unlike Obama, McCain would, in all probability, be facing an unfriendly congress. That will help to limit his more extreme policies. So overall I'd take McCain over Bush any day of the week. If I'd take him over Obama, well I'll have to get back to you on that....

McCain voted with Bush over 90% of the time, and he's been in Washington for 26 years. Yet people like that he's using the word "change". (not you, Moonliner.) Bwahahaha!

[innerSpaceman]

And his maverick status is bull**** perpetuated by the press and the story arc they love to weave about him.


There are other Republicans who've voted contrary to their party far more often than McCain, but they are not press darlings.

[scaeagles]

Originally Posted by Cadaverous Pallor

McCain voted with Bush over 90% of the time, and he's been in Washington for 26 years. Yet people like that he's using the word "change". (not you, Moonliner.) Bwahahaha!

Well, couldn't the same be said of Obama's choice in Biden? There's certainly nothing to do with change there - he's been in Washington longer than McCain.

Also, I'm curious as to where that 90% of the vote comes from. I've heard that as well, but have also heard that this includes even ceremonial and numerous proclamations and unanimous senate votes, for such things as "we proclaim today to be soccor mom day" or whatever, getting unanimous approval and ceremonial ruibber stamps of the President's signature.

Again, I have not researched it at all. Just what I've heard, so I'm curious.

[Moonliner]

Originally Posted by Cadaverous Pallor

McCain voted with Bush over 90% of the time, and he's been in Washington for 26 years. Yet people like that he's using the word "change". (not you, Moonliner.) Bwahahaha!

OK so McCain voted with Bush 90-95% of the time.

From what I can find, Obama voted with Bush 40-50% of the time.

What I would like to see, but have not been able to find, are the cases where Obama voted against Bush and McCain voted with him. Any idea where I might find that info?




Edited to add: Damn you demon Scaeagles, must you always post what I am going to post before I post it. (And if you edit your message to add "Yes" at the end.... There will be war.

[Ghoulish Delight]

Originally Posted by scaeagles

Well, couldn't the same be said of Obama's choice in Biden? There's certainly nothing to do with change there - he's been in Washington longer than McCain.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, I who cares about VP?

[Moonliner]

So here is what I found so far....

Obama sponsored a bill which would have increased the level of family sponsored immigrants from 226,000 to 567,000. McCain voted no.

Obama voted for an amendment that declared English to be the common language of the United States. John McCain voted no.

Obama voted against the flag desecration amendment while John McCain voted yes

Obama did not vote on the moveon.org resolution that criticized the group for bashing General Petraeus. McCain voted yes.

Obama voted for an amendment that opposes criticism of our military. John McCain voted against this bill.

Obama voted to grant habeas corpus to persons being detained by the US. Mccain voted against it.

Both rejected the same sex marriage amendment

Obama voted for a congressional committee to study how contracts were to be handed out in Iraq and Afghanistan. McCain voted no

Obama voted against Alito and Roberts. McCain voted yes.

Obama did not vote on the economic stimulus package. McCain voted yes.

Obama voted for a temporary crude oil profits tax. McCain voted against it.

Obama voted to provide 500 million to help vets deal with PTSD and substance abuse. McCain voted no.

Obama voted against CAFTA. McCain voted yes

[innerSpaceman]

Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight

I've said it before and I'll say it again, I who cares about VP?

Well, I read in the paper today there's a 1 in 5 chance of any sitting U.S. President dying in office. I have no idea what that stat is based on. It was printed in the L.A. Weekly.

But John McCain, if elected, would be the oldest serving president in U.S. History.


That combined with the absolute loathing I hold for his V.P. choice leaves me concerned about the Vice Presidency more than I ever have been for any other election.

[Not Afraid]

Maybe McCain will adopt David Bowie's Changes as his theme song, then he can be both for change and hip.