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[Moonliner]

Thanks Scaegales for being the bigger party on this one. Despite suffering a totally uncalled for personal attack you were able to make amends, something the original offending party seems unwilling to do.

[3894]

Originally Posted by Moonliner

Thanks Scaegales for being the bigger party on this one. Despite suffering a totally uncalled for personal attack you were able to make amends, something the original offending party seems unwilling to do.

Wait, I'm supposed to apologize to scaeagles? For what?

[scaeagles]

Originally Posted by 3894

Wait, I'm supposed to apologize to scaeagles? For what?

You don't owe me one, per se - You owe an apology to everyone here who has ever offered an opinion without vast expertise or university sanctioned knowledge of the subject in question. Even to yourself.

If you stand by what you said, I have no problem with that. Of course, it then means what you have to offer on pretty much any subject becomes moot because of the standard you have chosen to hold opinions to.

[wendybeth]

I've been avoiding this thread because it was getting too personal and downright nasty in tone. We all have strong opinions about this subject and it's inevitable that things will get heated, but personal attacks are never cool- an ad hominem attack is usually the last refuge of someone who lacks any real substance in their argument yet wants to continue on. That is not debate, discourse or anything remotely productive, and I'd like to think we were better than that.

I also agree with GD with regards to others throwing gas on this fire.

[innerSpaceman]

Originally Posted by wendybeth

I also agree with GD with regards to others throwing gas on this fire.

She didn't frame it as such, but howzabout we consider that a Mod Warning ... and KNOCK IT OFF!

[scaeagles]

Originally Posted by wendybeth

We all have strong opinions about this subject and it's inevitable that things will get heated, but personal attacks are never cool- an ad hominem attack is usually the last refuge of someone who lacks any real substance in their argument yet wants to continue on.

Please note that personal attacks do not have to be ad hominem. Yes, I resorted to that, admittedly and unfortunately, but certainly not because it was my only thing to say to keep it going. However, I was indeed personally attacked without it being ad hominem. This is not fishing for an apology - I honestly do not need one nor do I care - I just want to point out while I participated I certainly did not start it.

[wendybeth]

I read the posts. You crossed the line when you personally attacked, whereas all other posts seemed to be (while hostile in tone) in line with the conversation that was taking place. You apologized, and while it might not have been met with quite the reception you may have expected, it was done and should have been over with. Then Moonie pipes in with his opinion and you were off and running again. Let it go. (And iSm is right- this is a warning.) I shouldn't have to phrase it as such, seeing how we are all adults here, but I'm getting tired of the personal nature of some of the comments in this thread.

[Moonliner]

Originally Posted by 3894

Wait, I'm supposed to apologize to scaeagles? For what?

Personally I found your use of the term "you have no informed opinion" patently offensive. It's tantamount to calling someone an ignorant fool. A personal attack. He apologized for responding in kind. You did not.

[Ghoulish Delight]

Originally Posted by Moonliner

Thanks Scaegales for being the bigger party on this one. Despite suffering a totally uncalled for personal attack you were able to make amends, something the original offending party seems unwilling to do.

Was that really necessary?

"Hey look, a nasty exchange that I'm not really a part of seems to be coming to a level headed reasonable end. Lemme throw a sucker punch at one of the parties!"