The random political thoughts thread (Part Deux) - Page 374

sleepyjeff · 09-11-2008, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by JWBear

IMO, attempting to deny someone their right to vote is tantamount to treason.

How do you feel about the whole Alice Palmer affair?

JWBear · 09-11-2008, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by sleepyjeff

How do you feel about the whole Alice Palmer affair?

What has that to do with denying someone their right to have their vote counted?

sleepyjeff · 09-11-2008, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by JWBear

What has that to do with denying someone their right to have their vote counted?

Well, if your candidate is not even on the ballot due to some smart lawyering by her oposistion wouldn't you feel somewhat disenfranchised? Obama got everyone but himself kicked off the ballot.......yeah, he wanted every vote to count.........for him.

innerSpaceman · 09-11-2008, 08:43 PM

I don't know about this Palmer incident, but my general study of Obama's political trajectory leads me to believe he played much dirtier in Illinois politics and has gotten cleaner at the game as he's moved from Senator to presidential candidate.

It's a little simplistic to say, because John McCain hasn't always been Mr. Clean Whistle, but my following of his trajectory is that he ran a fairly clean presidential campaign last time (undone by the dirty tricksters) and is running a fairly dirty one this time around.

So Obama is rising from corrupt campaigning and McCain is descending straight down into it.

I don't consider either an angel, and don't put dirty deeds as president beyond either's reach. But clearly I don't like what McCain is becoming, while I think Obama is improving. That, in itself, is reason to vote for Obama in the contest between them.

Tom · 09-11-2008, 08:56 PM

I have routinely been given misleading information by those seeking signatures on ballot proposition petitions. I always assumed it was workers paid by the signature doing whatever they could for an extra buck, rather than coordinated misinformation by the campaigns.

scaeagles · 09-11-2008, 09:06 PM

I believe that every political candidate would eat the other if it meant victory. Those candidates who manage to stay above the fray have surrogates who do the dirty work for them, often times with blessings, sometimes without, and still at other times with a "I don't want to know" type attitude for plausible deniability.

Politics is a brutally dirty game and I don't happen to think one side is any cleaner than the other.

JWBear · 09-11-2008, 09:21 PM

It's one thing to try and keep your competition off the ballot. It's quite another to try and keep people from voting at all.

sleepyjeff · 09-11-2008, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by JWBear

It's one thing to try and keep your competition off the ballot. It's quite another to try and keep people from voting at all.

CoasterMatt · 09-11-2008, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by sleepyjeff

I have, however, heard several cspan callers predict such a thing but I suppose that's about as telling as asking a hobo if Thunderbird Wine is any good

Anybody knows that any respectable hobo prefers Night Train, or even Boone's Farm to Thunderbird.

sleepyjeff · 09-11-2008, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by CoasterMatt

Anybody knows that any respectable hobo prefers Night Train, or even Boone's Farm to Thunderbird.

Boones' Farm......I've never heard of it(hope I am not dating myself)

09-11-2008, 08:43 PM	#3734
innerSpaceman Kink of Swank Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inner Space Posts: 13,075	I don't know about this Palmer incident, but my general study of Obama's political trajectory leads me to believe he played much dirtier in Illinois politics and has gotten cleaner at the game as he's moved from Senator to presidential candidate. It's a little simplistic to say, because John McCain hasn't always been Mr. Clean Whistle, but my following of his trajectory is that he ran a fairly clean presidential campaign last time (undone by the dirty tricksters) and is running a fairly dirty one this time around. So Obama is rising from corrupt campaigning and McCain is descending straight down into it. I don't consider either an angel, and don't put dirty deeds as president beyond either's reach. But clearly I don't like what McCain is becoming, while I think Obama is improving. That, in itself, is reason to vote for Obama in the contest between them.
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09-11-2008, 08:56 PM	#3735
Tom Valued member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 541	I have routinely been given misleading information by those seeking signatures on ballot proposition petitions. I always assumed it was workers paid by the signature doing whatever they could for an extra buck, rather than coordinated misinformation by the campaigns.
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09-11-2008, 09:06 PM	#3736
scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	I believe that every political candidate would eat the other if it meant victory. Those candidates who manage to stay above the fray have surrogates who do the dirty work for them, often times with blessings, sometimes without, and still at other times with a "I don't want to know" type attitude for plausible deniability. Politics is a brutally dirty game and I don't happen to think one side is any cleaner than the other.
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09-11-2008, 09:21 PM	#3737
JWBear Worn Romantic Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Long Beach California Posts: 8,435	It's one thing to try and keep your competition off the ballot. It's quite another to try and keep people from voting at all. __________________ Unrestrained frivolity will lead to the downfall of modern society.
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