All About McCain - Page 78

scaeagles · 09-12-2008, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by innerSpaceman

So your only example from the last ten years purports to claim that someone who observes the obvious racism of the Republican party is a racist by virtue of uttering said observation?

Are you familiar with the group "La Raza"? Big time political activists in Arizona, who proclaim the superiority of the hispanic race. It is safe to say based on their activities locally that they support democrat candidates.

What about The Nation of Islam and Louis Farrakhan? NO bigger jew-hating racist on the face of the earth. I'm thinking that he and his group doesn't vote republican.

What about Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton and their Jew hatred? They dare to stand under the umbrella of equality, and I'm sure their supporters aren't on the republican side.

Yes, I know, the RNC was white. Very white. The African American and Hispanic constituencies vote overwhelmingly with the democrat side. African Americans who dare spout conservative ideals are ostracized, called names, told they are sell outs to their race.

I was sitting in a meeting where a hispanic man used the phrase "Jew him down" in terms of trying to get a better price. Incredibly offensive.

We can go back and forth on this all day. I realize the reputation of the republicans as racists. I do not subscribe to it. I am not a racist, nor do I know many. I realize no one here is claiming that I am.

Tenigma · 09-12-2008, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by sleepyjeff

Well, some of us think the issues are more important than how old the candidate is or how many times he beat cancer.

Exactly! Which is why I'm voting for Obama.

I don't know if you know, but I'm not wholly against McCain. I just think someone like Obama only comes once in a generation (nacht, TWO generations, if not more), that I would be really doing myself a disservice if I just voted the way I normally vote.

That said, with Palin on the ticket I would be voting Democrat... even if we wound up selecting Hillary. /gulp

Morrigoon · 09-12-2008, 01:46 PM

Hillary on the ticket would throw my vote with McCain. However, put a different R on the ticket and I'd vote Libertarian.

Strangler Lewis · 09-12-2008, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by scaeagles

Are you familiar with the group "La Raza"? Big time political activists in Arizona, who proclaim the superiority of the hispanic race. It is safe to say based on their activities locally that they support democrat candidates.

I thought that La Raza was too big to be that silly, and it seems that they're not. (I will agree that solidarity with Latino causes makes non-Hispanics roll their Rs too much.)

A discussion.

But, if I were part of a separatist organization, I'd probably vote for the party that welcomed me the least to fuel my cause.

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Originally Posted by scaeagles

What about The Nation of Islam and Louis Farrakhan? NO bigger jew-hating racist on the face of the earth. I'm thinking that he and his group doesn't vote republican.

Ditto.

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Originally Posted by scaeagles

What about Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton and their Jew hatred? They dare to stand under the umbrella of equality, and I'm sure their supporters aren't on the republican side.

Absolutely not. After all, it was Nixon who demanded the names of "all the big Jews" to solicit their support.

In "fairness" to Jesse and Al, black/Jewish relations are not what they should be and have not been for a long time.

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Originally Posted by scaeagles

I was sitting in a meeting where a hispanic man used the phrase "Jew him down" in terms of trying to get a better price. Incredibly offensive.

Don't forget the Asians. When I worked at court in San Francisco, I would review transcripts of jury selection. If the defendant was black, the prosecution would try to kick off all the blacks, and the defense would kick off all the Chinese.

What a country.

sleepyjeff · 09-12-2008, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Tenigma

Exactly! Which is why I'm voting for Obama.

So it doesn't "boil(s) down to do we want a 72-year-old man, who has had skin cancer numerous times"?

Good, I am glad to see that. But lets be honest; if McCain were 10 years younger but still held the same views he does today you would still vote for Obama(I would hope)?

For my part, if Obama was 72 and had just as many years in the Senate as McCain I'd still vote for McCain.....because when you get right down to it, it should not "boil down" to anything except who is going to do better job at championing your causes

Gemini Cricket · 09-12-2008, 02:14 PM

Don't know how long these will be up:

McCain on The View Pt.1

McCain on The View Pt.2

McCain on The View Pt.3

Alex · 09-12-2008, 02:27 PM

No, McCain is too old for the job in my opinion. I have no problem saying that. Reagan was too old for it. George Bush (the first) would be too old if he tried to get his second term. My grandparents are too old for it. Allan Greenspan is too old for it. Warren Buffet is too old for it. Jack Welch is too old for it. Robert Byrd is too old for it.

It has nothing to do with whether I expect him to live through his term of office (I do), but simply the fact of the odds being so against him in terms of mental and physical decline through ones 70s and 80s and I'm not talking about actual dementia or senility.

If he were 62 instead of 72 I'd be a bit more likely to consider him (though he is still ultimately disqualified simply because the Republicans have flunked in their tenure and therefore should not be rewarded with continuing to hold that particular office). But I really don't have that big an issue with McCain; we disagree on major policy but that is true with Obama as well.

ETA: I was just picking old people out of the air with that list of people who are too old in my opinion. It may turn out that some of them aren't actually as old as I think they are. Feel free to point that out but it doesn't change the point of the sentence.

scaeagles · 09-12-2008, 02:52 PM

Racism is everywhere. It is not a monopoly of any group of people or ethnic group or political organization or whatever. Bad and backwards people are everywhere. I do not think, however, that racism is as prevalent in our society as it was 40 years ago.

tracilicious · 09-12-2008, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by sleepyjeff

Btw: The media has shown that they will indeed "uncover" some story that can't be proved right before the eleciton......I'd bet money on it....thankfully, the public is quite use to it now and unless they really can prove it they won't fall for it.

Um, are you for reals? McCain/Palin got onstage and blatantly lied about Obama's policies and the republican base swallowed it whole. Apparently, the public will fall for anything and half the country will vote for someone who doesn't even have enough confidence in their base to assume that they are educated about both sides. Which sadly, they apparently aren't.

sleepyjeff · 09-12-2008, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by tracilicious

Um, are you for reals? McCain/Palin got onstage and blatantly lied about Obama's policies and the republican base swallowed it whole. Apparently, the public will fall for anything and half the country will vote for someone who doesn't even have enough confidence in their base to assume that they are educated about both sides. Which sadly, they apparently aren't.

Um not sure what you are getting at here; I was saying the media will "discover" some bit of shocking news right before the election(just like they have in at least the past two elections) and you ask if I am for real

What's McCain/Palin lying(not that I am conceding that) on stage at the convention got to do with what I said

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09-12-2008, 02:14 PM	#776
Gemini Cricket ... Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 13,244	Don't know how long these will be up: McCain on The View Pt.1 McCain on The View Pt.2 McCain on The View Pt.3
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09-12-2008, 02:27 PM	#777
Alex . Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,354	No, McCain is too old for the job in my opinion. I have no problem saying that. Reagan was too old for it. George Bush (the first) would be too old if he tried to get his second term. My grandparents are too old for it. Allan Greenspan is too old for it. Warren Buffet is too old for it. Jack Welch is too old for it. Robert Byrd is too old for it. It has nothing to do with whether I expect him to live through his term of office (I do), but simply the fact of the odds being so against him in terms of mental and physical decline through ones 70s and 80s and I'm not talking about actual dementia or senility. If he were 62 instead of 72 I'd be a bit more likely to consider him (though he is still ultimately disqualified simply because the Republicans have flunked in their tenure and therefore should not be rewarded with continuing to hold that particular office). But I really don't have that big an issue with McCain; we disagree on major policy but that is true with Obama as well. ETA: I was just picking old people out of the air with that list of people who are too old in my opinion. It may turn out that some of them aren't actually as old as I think they are. Feel free to point that out but it doesn't change the point of the sentence.
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09-12-2008, 02:52 PM	#778
scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	Racism is everywhere. It is not a monopoly of any group of people or ethnic group or political organization or whatever. Bad and backwards people are everywhere. I do not think, however, that racism is as prevalent in our society as it was 40 years ago.
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