All About McCain

[scaeagles]

While your issues are not shallow, BTD, I was wondering how Tenigma knows that he is going to encourage a lot of discussion from all sides.

And just to add, you don't have the right to do with your body what you want. The list is lengthy of the can'ts, including prostitution, various drugs, selling your kidney, not wearing a helmet while on bicycle in various communities, not wearing a seatbelt in a car, whatever.

[BarTopDancer]

Originally Posted by Gemini Cricket

Tina Fey as Sarah Palin/Amy Poehler as Hillary Clinton on SNL
So freakin' funny... and true.

McCain Spokeswoman says skit is sexist

Originally Posted by Carly Fiorina

Well, I think that she looked a bit like her. I think that, of course, the portrait was very dismissive of the substance of Sarah Palin, and so in that sense, they were defining Hillary Clinton as very substantive, and Sarah Palin as totally superficial. I think that continues the line of argument that is disrespectful in the extreme, and yes, I would say, sexist in the sense that just because Sarah Palin has different views than Hillary Clinton does not mean that she lacks substance. She has a lot of substance.

Link You have to scroll down a bit.

[BarTopDancer]

Originally Posted by scaeagles

And just to add, you don't have the right to do with your body what you want. The list is lengthy of the can'ts, including prostitution, various drugs, selling your kidney, not wearing a helmet while on bicycle in various communities, not wearing a seatbelt in a car, whatever.

If I choose to, I can be a prostitute, do drugs, sell organs, not wear a helmet or a seatbelt. I may have to pay a fine or do jail time, but I can do those. TYVM.

[sleepyjeff]

Originally Posted by BarTopDancer

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I also am finding it harder and harder to respect people who think it's ok to take away those rights because their religion or personal moral compass says it's not ok. If you think abortion is wrong, don't have one.

If you think animal abuse is wrong, don't abuse one.
If you think stealing is wrong, don't steal.
If you think infanticide is wrong, don't vote for Obama.

If you think same-sex marriage is wrong, don't marry someone of the same sex. ...

Did Obama change his position on same-sex marriage recently?

if you're voting for his ticket you're voting to take away rights of your fellow people and I just can't bring myself to respect people who want to oppress others.

So forcing me, at the point of a gun, to work several months each year to support programs that I neither use or think necessary isn't oppressive?

I say anyone who thinks Obama represents less oppression than McCain is ...no, I won't say it.....I am better than that, much, much, better than that

[BarTopDancer]

Originally Posted by sleepyjeff

If you think animal abuse is wrong, don't abuse one.
If you think stealing is wrong, don't steal.

Do you realize how ridiculous you sound with those examples? Those effect others. What I choose do to with my body effects me. You have no right to tell me what to do with my body.

I think I need to walk away before I say something I may or may not regret later.

[sleepyjeff]

Originally Posted by BarTopDancer

Do you realize how ridiculous you sound with those examples? Those effect others. What I choose do to with my body effects me. You have no right to tell me what to do with my body.

How does abusing an animal "effect others"?

((Yes, this is a trap))

[innerSpaceman]

Originally Posted by scaeagles

And just to add, you don't have the right to do with your body what you want. The list is lengthy of the can'ts, including prostitution, various drugs, selling your kidney, not wearing a helmet while on bicycle in various communities, not wearing a seatbelt in a car, whatever.

And just for the record, I can't support any of those restrictions on what you do with your body. From your list, that's prostitution and drugs, both of which I think should be completely legalized (though likeky with some sort of regulation). Now that I think about it ... selling your kidney should be legal, as should suicide.

Helmet and seatbelt laws do NOT govern what you can do with your body, but rather what you can do with a vehicle.


Furthermore, the premise of your statement is completely wrong. These are not things we don't have the right to do. These are things that are currently illegal.

I have a right to marry the man I love in California, but if I travel to Idaho I lose that right??? Um, no. The right may not be recognized, but it exists nonetheless. The rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness were not brought into existence by the Declaration of Independence; they were just brought to the world's attention.

[lizziebith]

Originally Posted by sleepyjeff

So forcing me me, and my child, and his future children, and theirs, at the point of a gun, to work several months each year to support programs a war, corporate handouts/bailouts, and the creation of insane national debt, that I neither use or think necessary isn't oppressive?

fixed.

[sleepyjeff]

Originally Posted by lizziebith

fixed.

Thank you.....I don't entirely disagree with your changes

[innerSpaceman]

And yes, sleepyjeff, I call shenanigans on the list of purported rights that do harm to other living things. No one is arguing for such rights, but rather for the right to conduct ourselves and ourselves only (perhaps in concert with those whose informed consent we gain, but in no event against another's will).


Pure and total shenanigans.



Try again.