The random political thoughts thread (Part Deux)

[Alex]

Independent of Fiorina's competency as a business executive, she is not the one who left HP disgraced by the pretexting scandal. However, the events surrounding her firing in 2005 did lead to the scandal but Fiorina had nothing to do with it.

HP was underperforming, the Board of Directors made a proposal to Fiorina that would have reorganized her responsibilies and been a big blow to her position with the company. She resisted it. The plan proposed to her was somehow leaked to Newsweek (I think, maybe WSJ) which published it. Fiorina was fired.

The board of directors gave Fiorino's replacement, Pat Dunn, the task of discovering how their private internal communications had been leaked to the press. It was in this period that the illegal pretexting and other investigative abuses happened. All charges against Dunn were eventually dropped.


Really, the obvious lesson to take from the sequential failure of Fiorina and Dunn is that women should not be allowed to run big companies (just twisting the tiger's tail).

[Moonliner]

Originally Posted by Alex

Independent of Fiorina's competency as a business executive, she is not the one who left HP disgraced by the pretexting scandal. However, the events surrounding her firing in 2005 did lead to the scandal but Fiorina had nothing to do with it.

HP was underperforming, the Board of Directors made a proposal to Fiorina that would have reorganized her responsibilies and been a big blow to her position with the company. She resisted it. The plan proposed to her was somehow leaked to Newsweek (I think, maybe WSJ) which published it. Fiorina was fired.

The board of directors gave Fiorino's replacement, Pat Dunn, the task of discovering how their private internal communications had been leaked to the press. It was in this period that the illegal pretexting and other investigative abuses happened. All charges against Dunn were eventually dropped.


Really, the obvious lesson to take from the sequential failure of Fiorina and Dunn is that women should not be allowed to run big companies (just twisting the tiger's tail).

There seem to be a number of sources saying the "leak investigation" started on her watch.

Originally Posted by Democrates.org (but there are others....)

Leak Investigation At H-P Began With Fiorina’s Tenure, And Later Erupted Into A Spying Scandal. After details of the board of directors’ intentions to fire Carly Fiorina became public in the Wall Street Journal, Ms. Fiorina “demanded a confession” from the directors. Following these demands from Fiorina, an aggressive leak investigation that resulted in a “spying scandal” commenced. The San Francisco Chronicle wrote, “The spying scandal dates to early 2005, when then-CEO Carly Fiorina and other directors began looking into leaks of board deliberations to journalists. After Fiorina was fired, her successor as chairwoman, Dunn, pursued the investigation, which eventually pointed to director George Keyworth

Still you are technically correct, the pretexting scandal broke after she was fired.

[Alex]

Fiorina was never implicated. Fiorina was fired two weeks after the document was leaked, so even if she technically started the investigation (though you'll also find sources to the contrary such as this one saying Dunn began the investigation) she almost certainly had no time to have done anything illegal.

Ultimately, neither CEO was held responsible for anything of the illegal activities that happened. Fiorina was never accused (by law enforcement) of anything illegal.

There are plenty of valid reasons to question Fiorina's competence as an economic advisor to John McCain, why stretch to accuse her of things that carry little weight and probably only a slim relation to reality?

[Moonliner]

Originally Posted by Alex

Fiorina was never implicated. Fiorina was fired two weeks after the document was leaked, so even if she technically started the investigation (though you'll also find sources to the contrary such as this one saying Dunn began the investigation) she almost certainly had no time to have done anything illegal.

Ultimately, neither CEO was held responsible for anything of the illegal activities that happened. Fiorina was never accused (by law enforcement) of anything illegal.

There are plenty of valid reasons to question Fiorina's competence as an economic advisor to John McCain, why stretch to accuse her of things that carry little weight and probably only a slim relation to reality?

Fair enough, I was confusing her with Dunn. I shall have to better research the valid reasons you mention.

[cirquelover]

Originally Posted by Alex

Really, the obvious lesson to take from the sequential failure of Fiorina and Dunn is that women should not be allowed to run big companies (just twisting the tiger's tail).

Do you really want all the women of LoT to show up on your doorstep?! It could be like an old fashioned lynch mob, just full of angry women. I bet Lani would join us!!

[DreadPirateRoberts]

Alex lobs those out to see if anyone is listening.

[scaeagles]

Was there a problem with what he said????

[BarTopDancer]

Originally Posted by scaeagles

Was there a problem with what he said????

The gay men of LoT will be showing up at your doorstep

[innerSpaceman]

For our toasters.

[scaeagles]

Sorry. No one takes back the toasters.