CA Ballot Propositions 2008 - Page 3

Cadaverous Pallor · 09-30-2008, 07:57 AM

Google takes a stand on Prop 8. Note that it was posted by Sergey himself.

innerSpaceman · 09-30-2008, 08:11 AM

Awesome.

Hey, I finally got my booklet in the mail yesterday. Maybe I'll look inside and see if there really are other propositions, or if y'all are just pullin' my leg.

Oh, and if it costs $126 to drive to San Francisco and back, it might cost ten bucks more to fly. You won't have a car when you get there, but you get there in an hour.

And you don't really want a car in San Francisco anyway.

Snowflake · 09-30-2008, 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by innerSpaceman

And you don't really want a car in San Francisco anyway.

No, really, you don't. If you need one to get out of town, rentals are all over the place.

Besides, in SF proper, gas is still about $3.85 (or higher if it's Shell).

Kevy Baby · 09-30-2008, 09:48 AM

Historically, I tended to drive when at all possible. I just couldn't stand being without a car (even in the Bay area). Besides I like to drive, so the extra time was not a big deal for me.

However, that was back when gas was under $2.00 per gallon. I am not sure I would make the same decision today.

Gemini Cricket · 09-30-2008, 09:57 AM

Ya gotta love Google.

alphabassettgrrl · 09-30-2008, 10:20 AM

Yay for Google! I didn't realize they had a blog.

I might vote for the high-speed rail line. I'll have to read the alternative energy proposals.

Alex · 09-30-2008, 11:12 AM

Ok, I actually looked at them in detail. My positions.

1A - High Speed Rail
No. I like the idea, but I don't believe this will ever really be built.

2 - Standards for Confining Farm Animals
No. I also support this idea, but I do it with my spending and don't think it should be legislated. Also, if it should be legislated this is a matter for the legislature and falls under my general distaste for the proposition process.

3 - Children's Hopital Bond Act.
Iffy no. Will spend more time looking at the history of this. But this is the second children's hospital bond prop in 4 years because they've already blown through the money given last time.

4 - Waiting period and notification before minor abortion (constitutional amendment)
No. While I support abortion rights I actually have little issue with parental notification requirements for minors. I understand the need for sensitivity but in the end I think parental responsibility for the child trumps most issues. However, I can't support this particular amendment because of the "other adult notification exception" (it should be legal guardian or court, not whimsical "other") and I also can't support the civil penalties section.

5 - Nonviolent drug offenses, sentencing, parole and rehabilitation
No. Again, I am very much in support of the ideas in this complex proposition. I just feel it is the proper jurisdiction of the legislature not the proposition system. I also really don't approve of dictated budget set asides as they are a big source of our state budget problems.

6 - Police and Law Enforcement Funding
No. Purely a fixed budget set aside. Don't approve of such.

7 - Renewable Energy Generation
After 30 minutes of reading I still don't think I understand what it is doing. So, unless I can be shown clearly why this is such a good idea it should be taken out of the legislature's hands, I'll vote No.

8 - Same sex marriage
No. I agree with the supreme court finding, have no issues with same sex marriage (or any other combination between consenting adults) so an easy no.

9 - Victims Rights. Parole
No. Most of the stuff in this one should not be in the state constitution.

10 - Alternative Fuel Vehicles
No. T. Boone Pickens can pay for these himself.

11 - Redistricting
Yes. This plan is significantly flawed but not nearly so flawed as the current method of redistricting. Yes, this prop would ideally be handled by the legislature but they've shown themselves so unwilling to deal with it that I'm holding my nose.

12 - Veterans Bonds
Yes - Historically these bonds have been self-funding and at $900MM I think the credit risk is acceptable.

blueerica · 10-01-2008, 10:01 AM

Woo! Finally remembered to apply for my absentee voter stuff today, meaning I don't have to vote in Utah for this election! WOO!

Now, to catch up on Cali politics while not having to watch the stupid commercials. I win!

Cadaverous Pallor · 10-01-2008, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by blueerica

Woo! Finally remembered to apply for my absentee voter stuff today, meaning I don't have to vote in Utah for this election! WOO!

But Utah's a red state, you could be helping it be blue....even though it's not going to be blue

BarTopDancer · 10-01-2008, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Cadaverous Pallor

But Utah's a red state, you could be helping it be blue....even though it's not going to be blue

But she can vote no on Prop 8.

09-30-2008, 07:57 AM	#21
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innerSpaceman Kink of Swank Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inner Space Posts: 13,075	Awesome. Hey, I finally got my booklet in the mail yesterday. Maybe I'll look inside and see if there really are other propositions, or if y'all are just pullin' my leg. Oh, and if it costs $126 to drive to San Francisco and back, it might cost ten bucks more to fly. You won't have a car when you get there, but you get there in an hour. And you don't really want a car in San Francisco anyway.
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Kevy Baby Chowder Head Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Yes Posts: 18,500	Historically, I tended to drive when at all possible. I just couldn't stand being without a car (even in the Bay area). Besides I like to drive, so the extra time was not a big deal for me. However, that was back when gas was under $2.00 per gallon. I am not sure I would make the same decision today. __________________ The thing about quotes on the internet is that you cannot verify their validity. - Abraham Lincoln
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alphabassettgrrl Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 4,978	Yay for Google! I didn't realize they had a blog. I might vote for the high-speed rail line. I'll have to read the alternative energy proposals. __________________ Why cycling? Anything [sport] that had to do with a ball, I wasn't very good at. -Lance Armstrong
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09-30-2008, 11:12 AM	#27
Alex . Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,354	Ok, I actually looked at them in detail. My positions. 1A - High Speed Rail No. I like the idea, but I don't believe this will ever really be built. 2 - Standards for Confining Farm Animals No. I also support this idea, but I do it with my spending and don't think it should be legislated. Also, if it should be legislated this is a matter for the legislature and falls under my general distaste for the proposition process. 3 - Children's Hopital Bond Act. Iffy no. Will spend more time looking at the history of this. But this is the second children's hospital bond prop in 4 years because they've already blown through the money given last time. 4 - Waiting period and notification before minor abortion (constitutional amendment) No. While I support abortion rights I actually have little issue with parental notification requirements for minors. I understand the need for sensitivity but in the end I think parental responsibility for the child trumps most issues. However, I can't support this particular amendment because of the "other adult notification exception" (it should be legal guardian or court, not whimsical "other") and I also can't support the civil penalties section. 5 - Nonviolent drug offenses, sentencing, parole and rehabilitation No. Again, I am very much in support of the ideas in this complex proposition. I just feel it is the proper jurisdiction of the legislature not the proposition system. I also really don't approve of dictated budget set asides as they are a big source of our state budget problems. 6 - Police and Law Enforcement Funding No. Purely a fixed budget set aside. Don't approve of such. 7 - Renewable Energy Generation After 30 minutes of reading I still don't think I understand what it is doing. So, unless I can be shown clearly why this is such a good idea it should be taken out of the legislature's hands, I'll vote No. 8 - Same sex marriage No. I agree with the supreme court finding, have no issues with same sex marriage (or any other combination between consenting adults) so an easy no. 9 - Victims Rights. Parole No. Most of the stuff in this one should not be in the state constitution. 10 - Alternative Fuel Vehicles No. T. Boone Pickens can pay for these himself. 11 - Redistricting Yes. This plan is significantly flawed but not nearly so flawed as the current method of redistricting. Yes, this prop would ideally be handled by the legislature but they've shown themselves so unwilling to deal with it that I'm holding my nose. 12 - Veterans Bonds Yes - Historically these bonds have been self-funding and at $900MM I think the credit risk is acceptable.
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10-01-2008, 10:01 AM	#28
blueerica Nueve Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 6,497	Woo! Finally remembered to apply for my absentee voter stuff today, meaning I don't have to vote in Utah for this election! WOO! Now, to catch up on Cali politics while not having to watch the stupid commercials. I win! __________________ Tomorrow is the day for you and me
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