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Old 09-30-2008, 01:58 PM   #2101
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If they are truly representing "us", shouldn't they be loyal to public opinion? or is it too little too late for them to start that now since it never really mattered before?
No, they should represent our interests, not our demands.
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Old 09-30-2008, 02:11 PM   #2102
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If they are truly representing "us", shouldn't they be loyal to public opinion? or is it too little too late for them to start that now since it never really mattered before?
Not necessarily, which is why we're a representative democracy and not a direct democracy. The fickleness of public opinion is one reason the Senate was specifically shielded from it with long six year terms in rotating waves.

If this "crisis" had arisen 12 months ago or six weeks from now, the behavior in the House of Representatives would be dramatically different knowing that there would be a period of time for the voters to either come to terms with it, to forget about it, or for it to work in a way that they can stand tall for having done it.

As far as blame for yesterday's embarrassment goes, I put it squarely on whoever is heading the Republican caucus (and whips) on this issue. Among the nays were both people acting simply for political reasons and people acting out of ideological principles.

But the bill should never have come to vote until both caucuses were sufficiently confident of passage. Either the Republican caucus failed to accurately count votes or they were unable to hold their internal agreements.
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Old 09-30-2008, 03:24 PM   #2103
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GD's avatar makes all his posts sound stupid to me.
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Old 09-30-2008, 03:26 PM   #2104
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GD's avatar makes all his posts sound stupid to me.
I don't think his avatar makes all his posts sound stupid.
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Old 09-30-2008, 04:49 PM   #2105
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You know, so many like to give Palin never ending grief when she stumbles a little facing reporters asking gotcha questions;

Yet, for some reason, Obama can stumble a little on his own(sans reporters) and that's ok?

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Old 09-30-2008, 04:53 PM   #2106
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At least he had actual thoughts to lose.
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Old 09-30-2008, 04:55 PM   #2107
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Stumble a little?!? Dude, she fricking tumbled down a mountain!
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Old 09-30-2008, 05:03 PM   #2108
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Seriously, sleepyjeff, do you really want to start down the road of, "Does Obama have a worse grasp of the issues than Palin?" Seriously?
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Old 09-30-2008, 05:27 PM   #2109
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Seriously, sleepyjeff, do you really want to start down the road of, "Does Obama have a worse grasp of the issues than Palin?" Seriously?


Palin stumbled going up against a couple of world class journalists who were setting her up with gotcha questions.....Obama tripped over his own tongue.

Palin looks like an idiot doing an interview with someone tyring to make her look like an idiot(imagine that)

Obama, even when confronted with a very friendly interviewer says things like "my Muslim Faith" and gets a pass on it(I am not saying he shouldn't get a pass on that but if he, someone who has been campainging for the #1 job for two or so years gets a pass shouldn't someone who has only been campaiging for a few weeks and the #2 job also get the same sort of pass?).
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Old 09-30-2008, 05:46 PM   #2110
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