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[Ghoulish Delight]

Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight

I do expect the McCain ticket to get a boost in the polls from this. She more than met the rock-bottom bar of lowered expectations.

Case in point, the current lead headline at evil liberal tool msnbc.com is For Palin, mission accomplished

[Alex]

On the misspoken words front (which I don't consider very relevant to anything), Biden also referred to Bosniacs instead of Bosnians.

As far as "nukular" I wrote this on my LJ earlier:

Sorry people. The lamest criticism anybody ever makes about a politician is bitching if they say nukular instead of nuclear.

This battle has been lost, language is the way it is used. As Mirriam Webster says:

"Though disapproved of by many, pronunciations ending in \\-kyə-lər\\ have been found in widespread use among educated speakers including scientists, lawyers, professors, congressmen, United States cabinet members, and at least two United States presidents and one vice president. While most common in the United States, these pronunciations have also been heard from British and Canadian speakers."

Bitching about it just looks equally stupid (in my opinion, of course). And I say this as someone who says nuclear right properly. Saying nukular is not a sign of ignorance or stupidity, it is simply the way the word is said in broad swaths of America (and beyond). It is time to get over it.

[Ghoulish Delight]

I know it doesn't matter. But it's my gut reaction, much the same as my gut reaction to McCain's smile, but I have a far easier time looking past that gut reaction with McCain because it's entirely physiological.

[wendybeth]

I had to laugh when she said 'leave' instead of 'lead' when referring to McCain- she quickly corrected it, but one can't help if it was Freudian in nature.

She was much better in a dumbed down debate format, but she didn't answer many of the questions and instead just seized on the opportunity to cheer lead for her team, which I suppose was her prerogative but damned annoying to me as a viewer. I kept thinking "just answer the damned question already!" Very evasive, and very vague.

[Morrigoon]

Any suggestions on where I can go for unedited debate footage?

[Morrigoon]

Nevermind, found it

[Strangler Lewis]

Maybe Pat Buchanan isn't gay after all, since he loved her out of all proportion to her performance. Or maybe he's just overcompensating.

As has been said, she came across like the host of Morning Latte with the teleprompter on instead of with the teleprompter off, which it has been during her recent interviews. I don't think the canned performance last night did anything to erase the previous negative impressions, and I think the line about direct talk to the people vs. media filters made no sense.

Weird note on the subject of gay rights: She started to say something that I thought was going to be "some of my best friends are gay" but turned out to be "some of my best friends are homophobic bigots." They do appear to be going for the gay vote since I don't know who would be turned on by all this "I'm a maverick/He's a maverick" talk other than chaps wearing accountants on Folsom Street.

On the constitutional expansion issue, I don't think she was advocating anything. I think that was an area where she had no idea what she was talking about and crap just fell out of her mouth.

Biden did very well, although I was worried for a second during the final handshake that he was going to kiss her. Most importantly, I think Biden did a much better job of selling Obama and the Democrats than Palin did of selling McCain and the Republicans.

Her suit was beautiful.

I thought there was a weird vibe between the families on the platform at the end. I was worried the scene was going to go Springer.

I still say that's Bristol's baby.

[scaeagles]

Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight

I thought Biden did a stellar job of driving home two main themes. 1) Go ahead and bring up individual votes all you want, I can show you how the REAL thrust of that vote was the bill it was attached to, not the issue you want it to be about

Places where I think he failed: 1) Regarding the surge, I think the Obama camp's tack should be, "We were against the surge not because we think it was doomed to failure, but because we would rather have seen a strategy that put the responsibility on Iraqis to handle their own ****."

Kind of like when Biden was saying Obama voted for the 4 billion in oil company tax breaks, but did so for a different motive than McCain? Clearly when they voted the same he was questioning their motives.

Secondly, it may be good if Obama says that about the surge, but it would be a lie. The entire dem platform - and I'll look for Obama quotes later - has been that it was doomed to failure, and that it was failing.

What Biden had no answer for was when she quote him regarding how he disagreed with Obama and his stances duing the primary debates and would be honored to run with McCain. He had no answer for that.

[3894]

Biden is my new geriatric crush.

[innerSpaceman]

And I guess I can't complain about "nukular," since I really like "Bosniacs."





scaeagles, of course Biden didn't have an answer about disagreeing with Obama when they were campaign opponents. There is none. I honestly don't recall though .... did he simply not answer, or did he evade with a speech about something else entirely? If the former, that was pretty classy (imo) in a debate full of bullsh!t evasions (on both sides).