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Old 10-02-2008, 12:21 PM   #1141
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Funny, but inaccurate. Lincoln was never a Senator. He served one term in the House.
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Old 10-02-2008, 12:41 PM   #1142
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Except it didn't use to be that way. It used to be that when other markets were faltering, they'd be looking to us for help. I think it IS significant to note that the rest of the world appears to have diminished respect for our economic stature, especially in a world where we are increasingly reliant on world consumer confidence.
While it's not directly related to the global economy, one thing I want to mention is the little personal anecdote Obama gave during the first debate, about how his father did everything he could to come to the U.S., and how the U.S. is no longer looked upon as the beacon for people to come to.

I caught a snippet of the Laura Ingraham show, where a female caller said Obama was absolutely wrong, because we still have a ton of illegal immigrants trying to cross into the border.

I agree we still have a lot of people wanting to come here, but I think a lot of what's driving that is economic. What Obama was talking about was people wanting to come here for ideological purposes; people seeing America as the home of the free, where you can make your dream come true. When other countries snort and disrespect our country, we lose footing as the "beacon of freedom" that people want to flock to.

Some might think that's a good thing--less immigrants. But I'd like to continue to think of us as the good guys. Not the scary fundamentalist Christianist country so afraid of terrorists that our government thinks it's OK to ship suspects to foreign countries to be tortured.

Oh one thing... I give McCain credit for being expressly against torture, but I bet Obama will be much faster about closing GITMO, stopping extraordinary rendition, stopping "advanced interrogation techniques" and other horrendous things we do to people, many of whom aren't even formally charged. How does that stuff make us the good guys?
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Old 10-02-2008, 01:08 PM   #1143
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Well, with all due respect, we were NEVER the good guys. We simply fooled the rest of the world and our own people into thinking so.

The armed forces, the spy agencies, the government on every level have always been corrupt and evil.



It's just no longer a secret.
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Old 10-02-2008, 01:15 PM   #1144
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Palin turns back into a pitbull tonight

or so her campaign people are saying

Palin’s new plan: Go after Biden
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ST. LOUIS — Sarah Palin plans to go on the attack in tonight’s debate, hitting Joe Biden for what she will call his foreign policy blunders and penchant for adopting liberal positions on taxes and other issues, according to campaign officials involved in prepping her for tonight’s showdown.

The Palin camp is projecting surprising self-confidence in the pre-debate hours, despite the vice presidential nominee’s uneven — and, at some points, peculiar — performances in recent television interviews, the officials say. Top advisers to John McCain privately say Palin’s recent CBS interview was a borderline disaster, especially since it played out in several segments over several days. Tonight will be different, they say.

“This is going to finally put her back into a position where we see her like we saw her the first couple weeks,” a McCain official said. “She was herself. She was authentic, and people related to that. ... Tonight, she’ll get into a rhythm. You’re going to see her in a way that you haven’t seen her yet.”
Full story with Biden's plans, etc. is here
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Old 10-02-2008, 05:12 PM   #1145
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Hey guys, don't forget to print up your very own "Sarah Palin Bingo" cards for the debate over at http://palinbingo.com

There's a guy who came up with more cards if you need, too:

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Old 10-02-2008, 08:38 PM   #1146
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Wow, where IS everyone?

What did you guys think of the debate?!?!?

I think she was able to recite her memorized lines real gud!!!!
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Old 10-02-2008, 08:48 PM   #1147
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We have a debate thread, but I don't think you'll see much action there either.

It was a snoozefest.


Actually, the person I was most disappointed with was Gwen Ifill.
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Old 10-02-2008, 09:18 PM   #1148
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I thought McCain's comment about Biden being "ready to gaffe" was pretty funny. But Biden didn't, which made it funny in a different way.
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Old 10-03-2008, 08:17 AM   #1149
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It seems that immediately after watching debates, I have no urge to dissect it online. I don't even log on to the LoT that night. They wear me out, blech.
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Old 10-03-2008, 09:57 AM   #1150
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