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Ghoulish Delight · 10-04-2008, 12:14 PM

Oh, I don't expect Obama to join, but his surrogates are free to.

Tenigma · 10-05-2008, 04:21 AM

Bruce Springsteen in an acoustic concert in Philly on Saturday for a voter registration rally sponsored by the Obama campaign.

He took a few minutes out to talk to the audience (tens of thousands but I haven't seen an estimate) about why he's voting for Barack Obama:

"I've spent 35 years writing about America and its people and the meaning of the American promise , a promise handed down right here in this city," said the New Jersey rocker, whose songs often depict down-on-their-luck, working-class dreamers. "Our everyday citizens ... have justifiably lost faith in its meaning."

BDBopper · 10-05-2008, 07:15 AM

I am starting to hear rumors of an October surprise of massive proportions. the rumors are being fueled by Joe Biden canceling campaign appearances to deal with an illness in his family. The rumor is that Biden is about to step down with Hillary Clinton to replace him.

No matter how unlikely what would your opinion of such a move be? I think Obama would be making a mistake of seismic proportions. He's in the cat bird's seat. To use a sports analogy he is up by a field goal with two minutes left to go in the game, McCain has no time outs and Obama has the ball. If his VP is replaced that would be like carelessly passing the ball instead of running the clock out and winning the game. Such a move would have to be seen as one in unneeded desperation.

scaeagles · 10-05-2008, 07:29 AM

That rumor has been circulated for quite a while and I put no credence to it whatsoever, particularly with sizable Obama lead.

Cadaverous Pallor · 10-05-2008, 03:54 PM

No way they'd do that. It's stupid.

BDBopper · 10-05-2008, 06:17 PM

Was just watching "Huckabee" on Fox News and during the half-hour news break they mentioned that Joe Biden's mother-in-law has just passed away. My condolences go out to him and his family on their loss.

Alex · 10-05-2008, 07:22 PM

I think it was earlier in this thread that we discussed polling flaws and whatnot. The poitn was made about the pollsters being pros at their jobs and doing the best to adjust for the difficulties of random sample polling.

I agree with that idea, and the difficulty is that while you know some polls will be wrong, it is difficult to know which ones. Anyway, an interesting case in point.

Two surveys for Minnesota. Same polling period. Star Tribune has Obama up by 18 in that state. SurveyUSA has McCain up by 1. Anyway, found it interesting.

bewitched · 10-05-2008, 08:14 PM

As much as I would love Clinton on the ticket, I think it is far more likely that Palin would have some kind of "emergency."

That said, I think the chance of either VP choice bailing, with 1 month left, is nil to less than nil.

scaeagles · 10-05-2008, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex

Two surveys for Minnesota. Same polling period. Star Tribune has Obama up by 18 in that state. SurveyUSA has McCain up by 1. Anyway, found it interesting.

That is an amazing gap.

BDBopper · 10-06-2008, 05:03 AM

I don't think either poll seems to be accurate. I predict a 5 percent win for Obama in Minnesota. Still close but but as close as it was there during 2000 and 2004.

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10-05-2008, 04:21 AM	#2172
Tenigma Fired up, ready to go! Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: BarackObama.com Posts: 235	Bruce Springsteen in an acoustic concert in Philly on Saturday for a voter registration rally sponsored by the Obama campaign. He took a few minutes out to talk to the audience (tens of thousands but I haven't seen an estimate) about why he's voting for Barack Obama: "I've spent 35 years writing about America and its people and the meaning of the American promise , a promise handed down right here in this city," said the New Jersey rocker, whose songs often depict down-on-their-luck, working-class dreamers. "Our everyday citizens ... have justifiably lost faith in its meaning." __________________ "Tradition in America is a progression of individual freedoms. You know what the tradition of America would say? Gay marriage is the next step in the progression. That's the tradition of America." - Jon Stewart, talking to Bill O'Reilly on the Daily Show, November 13, 2008.
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10-05-2008, 07:15 AM	#2173
BDBopper Not Taking Any Crap! Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Cleaning Up America, One Step At A Time! Posts: 1,694	I am starting to hear rumors of an October surprise of massive proportions. the rumors are being fueled by Joe Biden canceling campaign appearances to deal with an illness in his family. The rumor is that Biden is about to step down with Hillary Clinton to replace him. No matter how unlikely what would your opinion of such a move be? I think Obama would be making a mistake of seismic proportions. He's in the cat bird's seat. To use a sports analogy he is up by a field goal with two minutes left to go in the game, McCain has no time outs and Obama has the ball. If his VP is replaced that would be like carelessly passing the ball instead of running the clock out and winning the game. Such a move would have to be seen as one in unneeded desperation.
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scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	That rumor has been circulated for quite a while and I put no credence to it whatsoever, particularly with sizable Obama lead.
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BDBopper Not Taking Any Crap! Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Cleaning Up America, One Step At A Time! Posts: 1,694	Was just watching "Huckabee" on Fox News and during the half-hour news break they mentioned that Joe Biden's mother-in-law has just passed away. My condolences go out to him and his family on their loss.
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Alex . Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,354	I think it was earlier in this thread that we discussed polling flaws and whatnot. The poitn was made about the pollsters being pros at their jobs and doing the best to adjust for the difficulties of random sample polling. I agree with that idea, and the difficulty is that while you know some polls will be wrong, it is difficult to know which ones. Anyway, an interesting case in point. Two surveys for Minnesota. Same polling period. Star Tribune has Obama up by 18 in that state. SurveyUSA has McCain up by 1. Anyway, found it interesting.
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bewitched 101% Yummy! Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: I know Kung Fu. Posts: 1,413	As much as I would love Clinton on the ticket, I think it is far more likely that Palin would have some kind of "emergency." That said, I think the chance of either VP choice bailing, with 1 month left, is nil to less than nil. __________________ ~Whitney Wondering about the future of Ellington Woodard's punk@ss sh!t.
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BDBopper Not Taking Any Crap! Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Cleaning Up America, One Step At A Time! Posts: 1,694	I don't think either poll seems to be accurate. I predict a 5 percent win for Obama in Minnesota. Still close but but as close as it was there during 2000 and 2004.
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