A Prop 8 challenge for swankers

[katiesue]

My area has become literally plastered with Yes on 8 in the past week. Yard signs, bumper stickers, idiots on street corners waiving signs. This morning I wanted to stop the car and yell at them, at the very least flip them off. Not that either of these are very mature or get me anywhere but it's crazy how many signs and things I see.

[Moonliner]

Originally Posted by katiesue

My area has become literally plastered with Yes on 8 in the past week. Yard signs, bumper stickers, idiots on street corners waiving signs. This morning I wanted to stop the car and yell at them, at the very least flip them off. Not that either of these are very mature or get me anywhere but it's crazy how many signs and things I see.

I wonder, do these people see Prop-8 as a gay rights issue, or a freedom of religion issue?

It would make a vast difference in how I would confront them on it.

[Ghoulish Delight]

Judging from the tone of the ads, it's being framed as a freedom of religion issue. They're being "forced to tolerate" (oh no, tolerance!!) something they "morally object" to. And "churches could lose their tax exempt status" or be sued!

[katiesue]

All the materials are from the same orginization - which I can't remember right now. Some of the people holding signs says "Yes on 8 = Freedom of Speech, and Yes on 8 = Restoration of Marriage" There are a few other slogans that I can't remember.

Edited to add - here it is Protect Marriage

[BarTopDancer]

There should be new signs with "protect marriage" and then use images of Brittany and her 2 marriages, Madonna and her marriages, McCain and his affair, etc...

[Ghoulish Delight]

That and "protect the children" with some twisted, "The institution of marriage exists only for the benefit of children, and children should be raised by their biological parents, so we need to protect marriage." Nevermind that adoption, divorce, in-vetro, marriage between sterile people, etc. etc. would remain perfectly legal.

[JWBear]

How is this a free speech issue?

[Gemini Cricket]

There was a really horrible "Save Traditional Marriage" ad that played in Hawai'i in '98. It showed the idiot who headed the campaign standing there with his dog. (I'm sure you can guess where the ad went from there.) But he said, "If gays are allowed to marry, then will I be able to marry my dog?"
It was so very degrading and petty.
I feel sorry for how dumb some people are about this issue. I'm no rocket scientist, but I ain't no buffoon... unless I'm being buffoonish on purpose...

[Ghoulish Delight]

Originally Posted by Gemini Cricket

But he said, "If gays are allowed to marry, then will I be able to marry my dog?"

Hmm, I think I'd respond, "Be my guest, dog fvcker."

[katiesue]

I know a lot of these groups have issues with the word “marriage”. Now correct me if I’m wrong but to my understanding in some churches you’re not considered “married” unless you have a ceremony in that particular church with a priest. I know this is true for Catholics. Now if 8 were to get voted down you still couldn’t be gay and “married” in the Catholic Church’s eyes because they wouldn’t perform the ceremony, which is their right. I know many people who are Catholic who were not married in the church but elsewhere and unless you later go in and have your “marriage” blessed, to the church it’s a “civil union” anyway. So I don’t get the threat or problem. If your particular religion doesn’t want to perform a gay marriage based upon it’s beliefs then no problem. Why does it matter anymore than if someone goes to Vegas or City Hall which aren’t usually religious ceremonies anyway but civil ones?

My Aunts suggestion was that we go the British way. You have a legal ceremony and then should you want to, a religious ceremony at whatever institution you subscribe to. Takes the religion aspect out of it.