A Prop 8 challenge for swankers

Not Afraid · 10-21-2008, 09:25 PM

I simply cannot understand why anyone is for Prop. 8. No one is taking away the rights of churches. Churches can believe and accept whatever they want to believe and accept. Church is a choice.

Gay couples already adopt or have children, raise families, have their own children, buy property together - share everything that a married couple also share with any of the other legal benefits a married couple. Why shouldn't they have the same legal protection that other people do?

Marriage is a generic term shared by people both religious who care to marry in a sacred ceremony and those who simply want the many benefits that a married couple enjoy since they are already joined in a partnership. Why would anyone have an objection to these benefits:

joint parenting, adoption,foster care, custody, and visitation (including non-biological parents);
status as next-of-kin for hospital visits and medical decisions where one partner is too ill to be competent;
joint insurance policies for home, auto and health;
dissolution and divorce protections such as community property and child support;
immigration and residency for partners from other countries;
inheritance automatically in the absence of a will;
joint leases with automatic renewal rights in the event one partner dies or leaves the house or apartment;
inheritance of jointly-owned real and personal property through the right of survivorship (which avoids the time and expense and taxes in probate);
benefits such as annuities, pension plans, Social Security, and Medicare;
spousal exemptions to property tax increases upon the death of one partner who is a co-owner of the home;
veterans' discounts on medical care, education, and home loans; joint filing of tax returns;
joint filing of customs claims when traveling;
wrongful death benefits for a surviving partner and children;
bereavement or sick leave to care for a partner or child;
decision-making power with respect to whether a deceased partner will be cremated or not and where to bury him or her;
crime victims' recovery benefits;

More here (I think I have posted this before)

I haven't gotten into any arguments over Prop 8 and it is unlikely that will happen too often in Long Beach - although I have seen a few Yes on 8 signs.

Yes on 8 just doesn't make sense.

Ghoulish Delight · 10-21-2008, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Not Afraid

I simply cannot understand

Fear, hate, prejudice, and lies.

Not Afraid · 10-21-2008, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight

Fear, hate, prejudice, and lies.

What is this - the middle ages?

10-21-2008, 09:25 PM	#1
Not Afraid HI! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 17,108	I simply cannot understand why anyone is for Prop. 8. No one is taking away the rights of churches. Churches can believe and accept whatever they want to believe and accept. Church is a choice. Gay couples already adopt or have children, raise families, have their own children, buy property together - share everything that a married couple also share with any of the other legal benefits a married couple. Why shouldn't they have the same legal protection that other people do? Marriage is a generic term shared by people both religious who care to marry in a sacred ceremony and those who simply want the many benefits that a married couple enjoy since they are already joined in a partnership. Why would anyone have an objection to these benefits: joint parenting, adoption,foster care, custody, and visitation (including non-biological parents); status as next-of-kin for hospital visits and medical decisions where one partner is too ill to be competent; joint insurance policies for home, auto and health; dissolution and divorce protections such as community property and child support; immigration and residency for partners from other countries; inheritance automatically in the absence of a will; joint leases with automatic renewal rights in the event one partner dies or leaves the house or apartment; inheritance of jointly-owned real and personal property through the right of survivorship (which avoids the time and expense and taxes in probate); benefits such as annuities, pension plans, Social Security, and Medicare; spousal exemptions to property tax increases upon the death of one partner who is a co-owner of the home; veterans' discounts on medical care, education, and home loans; joint filing of tax returns; joint filing of customs claims when traveling; wrongful death benefits for a surviving partner and children; bereavement or sick leave to care for a partner or child; decision-making power with respect to whether a deceased partner will be cremated or not and where to bury him or her; crime victims' recovery benefits; More here (I think I have posted this before) I haven't gotten into any arguments over Prop 8 and it is unlikely that will happen too often in Long Beach - although I have seen a few Yes on 8 signs. Yes on 8 just doesn't make sense.
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