A Prop 8 challenge for swankers

[Ghoulish Delight]

Gah, the lies are so infuriating!

I passed someone today holding a sign reading, "Prop 8 = Parental Rights". What the hell? It has absolutely nothing to do with parental rights. It might as well have said, "Prop 8 = saving puppies' lives!" for all it has to do with reality.

Coming back the other way my anger got the best of me and as I slowed to turn the corner these jokers were on, I had my window down and yelled, "That's a lie and you know it!" The liar smiled and waved.

[MouseWife]

Looking on my news station {I think they are the ones who send my my updates} I saw that on each page, they have a 'Yes on 8' ad.

Today, after a dryspell, I received more emails. I replied this way, and you tell me, was I rude or what?

"We are voting for Obama and voting No. on Prop H8.

Please refrain from sending any more political emails.

We personally find them offensive and hateful."

and

"As you know, I am against Prop 8. I won't deny anyone the security of being married to the one that they love.

And, honestly, we are all brothers and sisters under one God, I think that He wouldn't want us to treat one another this way. Look into your heart and be leery of how others interpret the bible.

But, that is my opinion and you are welcome to yours.

Love to you"

Go ahead and guess which one was to my sister and which one to my fil?

My sis, bless her. She just doesn't get it, you know?

[BarTopDancer]

I think they were good emails.

[MouseWife]

Thanks, BTD.

Not a word back on either front.

[Gemini Cricket]

Here's a great No on 8 article that should be spread around. It's written by someone in the LDS church who opposes Prop 8:

With Proposition 8 it is time to stand for justice, not discrimination. It is time to stand for equality. It is time to be on the right side of history. Regardless of race, gender, or sexuality human beings are human beings and deserve to be treated as such. Today I voice my public support in favor of treating my gay and lesbian brothers and sisters as equals, and ask my fellow Mormons to do the same.

Source

[Gemini Cricket]

This is a wonderful story.
It has been many moons since I said that a Catholic priest actually inspired me. Today, after 22 years, I found one:

Farrow then had his epiphany when he was asked by a Prop. 8 supporter in Fresno to speak up in favor of the measure. He knew he couldn't and that in fact he had to do just the opposite.

"I am morally compelled to vote no on Proposition 8," he told his congregation, saying he had to break "a numbing silence" about church prejudice against homosexuals.

Among the critics in his own parish and beyond, there are those who quote the Bible to condemn homosexuality and gay marriage.

"The Bible is not a book, it's a library written over 15 centuries," Farrow told me, suggesting that Christianity has and should continue to evolve. "People who approach scripture in a literal fashion are attempting to manipulate God himself."

To Farrow, condemning gay and lesbian marriage is as offensive as the condemnations of interracial marriage not too many decades ago.

Source

[Kevy Baby]

"The Bible is not a book, it's a library written over 15 centuries," Farrow told me, suggesting that Christianity has and should continue to evolve. "People who approach scripture in a literal fashion are attempting to manipulate God himself."

This has to be one of the most wonderful things I have read about the Bible.

[Betty]

Apparently the "other side" is doing similar things. I got a letter - okay a folded up 8 1/2 x 11 paper with yes on 8 garbarge inside and a post it note with a note addressed to my husband and myself.

Signed Kevy. (I only know one Kevy and I rather doubt it's from kevybaby. )

Return address is a suite of businesses in corona on magnolia. Looking at google street view it's on magnolia and ontario.

Anyway, no last name. No balls at all.

Frankly, if someone is going to send out that crap, they should at least have the balls to put their name on it.

I'm trying to decide if I should bring the letter to the address and go to each suite listed and see if they support it. And then they can kiss my ass if they do. Easy enough to tell them they've lost my business if it applies.

No name on it - long list of suites - clearly the person can't back up their beliefs.

It really pissed me off getting it. Like hate mail or something was delivered.

[Kevy Baby]

Originally Posted by Betty

Signed Kevy. (I only know one Kevy and I rather doubt it's from kevybaby. )

Nope: not me.

Originally Posted by Betty

Return address is a suite of businesses in corona on magnolia. Looking at google street view it's on magnolia and ontario.

Anyway, no last name. No balls at all.

Frankly, if someone is going to send out that crap, they should at least have the balls to put their name on it.

I'm trying to decide if I should bring the letter to the address and go to each suite listed and see if they support it. And then they can kiss my ass if they do. Easy enough to tell them they've lost my business if it applies.

No name on it - long list of suites - clearly the person can't back up their beliefs.

It really pissed me off getting it. Like hate mail or something was delivered.

Chances are pretty good that IF you found the correct suite/business that it will be one of the following:

1. A temporary office for a Yes on 8 campaign or other such organization. They will happily get into a debate with you with completely narrow minded views that are impossible to get into a rational argument with.
2. A company that specializes in "hit" campaigns in which case they probably won't care what your opinion is. Unfortunately, we have printed hit pieces in the past (not this year) that I was embarrassed to be associated with (it's not my company, so I have to do what the boss sez).
3. A small church with extreme fundamental views. There are many churches that congregate in business parks. See #1 above for argumentability.
4. (And this is a long-shot) An actual business with an extremist fundy that owns it. Also a fruitless argument and highly unlikely that you would patronize the business otherwise.

Personally, I wouldn't waste my time on this.

[BarTopDancer]

On my way home I had some words with a Yes on 8 supporter at the corner of Alicia and Trabucco.

Me: Don't vote to take away rights!
Supporter: They already have rights!
Me: Exactly! YOU'RE trying to take them away!
Supporter - starts to walk away
Me: You know I'm right or you wouldn't be walking away.
Supporter - turns around
Me: What would Jesus do? I don't think he'd be cool with being hateful and discriminatory towards others.
Supporter - She opens her mouth to say something
Me: you know I'm right

and the light turned green.

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Probably not the smartest thing to do, but driving past them 10 times a week (2x a day x 5 days a week) gets to you.