Lost!

[bewitched]

Originally Posted by BarTopDancer

I also don't think that the meeting between Desmond and Widmore in London was by chance... and I think we're going to see that Daniel's mother is the same woman who sold Desmond the engagement ring... and that she was in Oxford but is now in LA.

Originally Posted by bewitched

Who is the chick "Ellie" that held the gun on Daniel (when he was going to disarm the bomb) that he kept saying looked very familiar?

Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight

So now I'm guessing that the "Other" woman in the 40s that Daniel said looked familiar is Charolette's mom.

OMG, Ellie is Daniel's mom, Eloise Hawking (pre-Ben)! That's why Daniel said his mother can help save Charlotte-- because she knows how to find the island. Holy crap this gets confusing...I love it!

I think that also points to what JWB was getting at, I think Richard is the puppet master (since he controlled the "Others" when Eloise was there and obviously, IMO, is the one who carries the secrets of the island, like how to get on and off of it).

Right now, my 2 candidates for Jacob are Richard or Jack.



On another note, something that's been bothering me...

We were told (more or less) that Oceanic 815 was brought down because of the magnetic field generated when Desmond was late punching in the numbers at the Swan station, right? BUT, obviously, there was some reason that flight was brought down otherwise, what with all of the people linked together and with the island....So, which is it? Or was that just a plot device that had no real meaning (which doesn't happen very often on Lost)? I mean, if the island wanted them all there, couldn't it have just made the plane crash (like by generating a magnetic field on it's own without needing the intercession of a human)?

[bewitched]

I've been wondering a lot more about Daniel (not sleeping+obsessing). He's an original other, i.e. his mother was there before Dharma ever was and didn't Charlotte say that the man who told her never to come back was old (before she said it was him)? Also, Daniel has to be much older (if indeed Ellie and Eloise are the same people). If the flash to the bomb was, say, 1945, Ellie was about 25ish? Daniel would likely have been born before she was forty, so 1960 or so. He would have to be about 45 or 50. I don't know what, or if this means anything though.

I also think that "original" others can come and go as they please and time jump without ill effect but I wonder if they shift between "times" instead of actually traveling. In other words, they are making parallel time jumps when they appear in say, California, rather than linear ones. How else could they get off of the island and to the U.S. before outsiders came (like when Locke was a child)?

[bewitched]

Originally Posted by BarTopDancer

What is this "temple" that Robert was referring to that smoky is the security system for? I wonder if Locke is "sick" as well, after his encounter with Smoky.

Didn't Ben tell Danielle to take Alex "to the temple" in the episode where the mercenaries killed them? WTF is in that temple?

Also, how did Charlotte know to "look for the well" if the Lotus station wasn't there? Someone in the comments section on E! online that when Locke fell, the well closed up and Christian Shepard appeared, it was like Locke descended into Hades.

Which as an aside, someone else thought Christian Shepard's name was a description of Jesus.

[BarTopDancer]

Richard doesn't age, I don't recall seeing any other "old" Others. What's to say Daniel is aging?

Maybe Ellie is also Charlotte's mother?

[Pirate Bill]

Originally Posted by BarTopDancer

Maybe Ellie is also Charlotte's mother?

Daniel and Charlotte could be twins separated at birth to protect them from Richard (who's really the father). Daniel was raised by his uncle on a moisture farm while his sister was raised by royalty on Alderaan.

Richard: Search your feelings Dan. You know it to be true.
Daniel: No! That's not true! That's impossible!

Whoa...sorry. Head rush.

I just watched it twice yesterday. Things are really fun this season.

[Ghoulish Delight]

What if Whitmore is Daniel/Charolette's dad!

[Cadaverous Pallor]

Originally Posted by bewitched

If the flash to the bomb was, say, 1945, Ellie was about 25ish?

Richard told Locke the year, it was 1954.

[bewitched]

Originally Posted by Cadaverous Pallor

Richard told Locke the year, it was 1954.

Then he'd have to be at least about 44. I dunno, I just think he's an "pure" Other, not a Mudblood.

[sleepyjeff]

Originally Posted by bewitched

Right now, my 2 candidates for Jacob are Richard or Jack.

Jack.....remember Juliet speaking Latin? She called Richard, Ricardus. If Richard equals Ricardus then Jacob would equal Jacobus....or Jack-obus

On another note, something that's been bothering me...

We were told (more or less) that Oceanic 815 was brought down because of the magnetic field generated when Desmond was late punching in the numbers at the Swan station, right? BUT, obviously, there was some reason that flight was brought down otherwise, what with all of the people linked together and with the island....So, which is it?

Try using circular logic and the answer will become obvious.

Remember, Daniel has already told us that Time is like a Record player(and we've seen on numerous occasions thru-out this series hints to that as well).

So you see; the reason they are linked together is that they crashed on the Island and the reason they crashed together on the Island is that they are linked together.

Don't try to think in a straight line......you'll end up with a nose bleed

[bewitched]

Originally Posted by sleepyjeff

Jack.....remember Juliet speaking Latin? She called Richard, Ricardus. If Richard equals Ricardus then Jacob would equal Jacobus....or Jack-obus sx

Oooo, the plotus thickenus.

Try using circular logic and the answer will become obvious.

Remember, Daniel has already told us that Time is like a Record player(and we've seen on numerous occasions thru-out this series hints to that as well).

So you see; the reason they are linked together is that they crashed on the Island and the reason they crashed together on the Island is that they are linked together.

Don't try to think in a straight line......you'll end up with a nose bleed

I tend to think that they are approaching time from a string theory or parallel universe perspective. Nonetheless, I hadn't thought about the crash in that way.

I'm beginning to wonder if the island is where all "whens" that exist concurrently collide.