Lost!

[Eliza Hodgkins 1812]

Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight

Okay, time passage is warped on the island vs. off (which now that I think about it follows from the episode where Faraday was shooting rockets off the island). So that covers the 3 year discrepancy.

Now, is it just Ben and John who don't time travel or is it the fact that one was severely injured and the other dead?

Does anyone remember how Locke came to know of Ell=oise Hawking?

I think Ben and John left the island under different circumstances than the Oceanic survivors, and so had to return the old fashioned way? Meaning, they had to crush. That's my guess.

I would also guess that Widmore provided Locke with a file on Hawking. Since Widmore knew about her and her whereabouts (him being the one who informed Desmond.)

I am curious to know if Ben was actually doing Locke a favor. Perhaps a suicide cannot resurrect? And I do think Locke is resurrected - not an Island ghost. I think he's alive. The van where he was being stored (by Ben) anagrams to Resurrection, which is different than what Christian, Charlie, and other deaders are like. I also suspect that Christian was always a part of the island...

Ben took care of Locke's body for a reason. Then again, he killed him just as soon as Locke revealed Hawking's whereabouts, so it's just as possible that Ben's only intention was to keep Locke alive long enough to get what he needed from him. Ah, Ben and Widmore. Both seem to have the island's best interests at heart (? - or not), but both are bad mother****ers.

[SzczerbiakManiac]

Originally Posted by Eliza Hodgkins 1812

I think Ben and John left the island under different circumstances than the Oceanic survivors, and so had to return the old fashioned way? Meaning, they had to crush.

To crush? I don't understand. What are they crushing?

[Eliza Hodgkins 1812]

Originally Posted by SzczerbiakManiac

To crush? I don't understand. What are they crushing?

Crash.

[Eliza Hodgkins 1812]

Hmm, to shoot holes in some of my earlier musings, a friend pointed out that Christian's body was also missing after the plane crashed. And he's able to hold baby Aaron, so he can be corporeal. Hmm, hmm, hmm.

[bewitched]

GD, I would assume Daniel told Locke about his mother since they were all together before Locke went back. Daniel seems to know that his mother knows how to get to the island. (Although I suppose Widmore could have also told him since he obviously knows where Eloise is.)

I'm curious why Ben seemed genuinely interested in helping Locke until Locke said he knew about Eloise Hawking then BAM!

[Eliza Hodgkins 1812]

Originally Posted by bewitched

GD, I would assume Daniel told Locke about his mother since they were all together before Locke went back. Daniel seems to know that his mother knows how to get to the island. (Although I suppose Widmore could have also told him since he obviously knows where Eloise is.)

I'm curious why Ben seemed genuinely interested in helping Locke until Locke said he knew about Eloise Hawking then BAM!

Either Ben's reason for killing Locke was metaphysical (a suicide couldn't resurrect, perhaps) or he needed information from him before he could die. Since he killed Ben right after he mentioned Hawking's whereabouts, I'd wager that's the information he needed.

[Ghoulish Delight]

Originally Posted by Eliza Hodgkins 1812

Either Ben's reason for killing Locke was metaphysical (a suicide couldn't resurrect, perhaps) or he needed information from him before he could die. Since he killed Ben right after he mentioned Hawking's whereabouts, I'd wager that's the information he needed.

It seemed less that he was waiting for the right moment to kill Locke, and more like a sudden change of plan upon learning that Locke knew of Eloise. For some reason, Ben really didn't want Locke to find her. I mean, when we see Ben and Eloise together later, there's no hint of, "Damnit, how did HE find me?" She seems perfectly fine with Ben knowing where she is.

That's why I'm so interested to figure out how Locke found out about her. Who gave him knowledge that Ben didn't want him to have?

[Stan4dSteph]

Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight

That's why I'm so interested to figure out how Locke found out about her. Who gave him knowledge that Ben didn't want him to have?

Christian gave Locke her name right before Locke left the island. My guess is "dude from Fringe" gave Locke her whereabouts.

[Eliza Hodgkins 1812]

Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight

It seemed less that he was waiting for the right moment to kill Locke, and more like a sudden change of plan upon learning that Locke knew of Eloise. For some reason, Ben really didn't want Locke to find her. I mean, when we see Ben and Eloise together later, there's no hint of, "Damnit, how did HE find me?" She seems perfectly fine with Ben knowing where she is.

That's why I'm so interested to figure out how Locke found out about her. Who gave him knowledge that Ben didn't want him to have?

I'm sorry, I continue to not understand why he wouldn't have acquired that knowledge from Widmore. Widmore knew about Hawkings. I assume he supplied Locke with her file, same as the rest.

And that's a good point about Ben not wanting Locke to know about her. That further makes me think it was Widmore who supplied the information.