Lost!

[Ghoulish Delight]

Originally Posted by BarTopDancer

If what happened already happened (the cleanse and other events) then it's playing out as it's supposed to happen. They aren't able to change the future.

That doesn't require them to actively do something. There is no logical motivation. They should have done nothing, and something else should have intervened to save him. For them to decide to save him is bullsh*t. Jack had it right. Don't do sh*t, if he's supposed to be saved, something will save him.

I wonder if this event took place before or after Richard and Ben met in the jungle a few seasons ago.

After.

It was interesting that Richard took him to Jacob's cabin, and there was a shadow in there. I heard someone say he should clear it with Charles and someone else. Did anyone catch the other name?

That wasn't Jacob's cabin, that was Smokey's temple. Just watched it again, didn't see a shadow. And the other name sounded like "Elle" as in Elle Farday.

[JWBear]

That wasn't Jacob's cabin, it was the Temple.

Charles (Widmore) and Elle (Mrs Hawking).

(ETA: GD beat me to it.)

[JWBear]

Oh... And was that a young Tom leading Kate & James to Richard?

[sleepyjeff]

Whatever happened, happened my eye......in the time travel debate between Hurley(who doesn't buy whh) and Miles(a big believer in whh) Miles seemed to be full of answers but Hurley stumped him with his final question.

I agree with GD....not a very good episode...in fact, I am going to come out and say this one was the worse one this year and possibly the worse one in the past two years....no way they go thru all that trouble to save a kid that is either going to live anyway (if they really believe in the whh stuff) or if not grow up to become the man who kills, tortures, kidnaps and basically ruins the lives of all those who are trying to save him. Especially had a hard time believing that Juliet, the woman who went thru some much torment at Ben's hands(who was it again that sent Juliet's lover to his death?) would do so much to save him.....and worse yet, deliver him to the others

Maybe on re=watch I'll catch something redeeming about this episode; but as it stands now, Hurley/Miles aside, this one was a waste of valuable Lost time...imho.

[Ghoulish Delight]

Oh, and it's going to wipe Ben's memory?! Seriously?! That's the best they could come up with? Fvck, they might as well have had Ben build 3PO while they were at it.

[scaeagles]

Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight

There isn't a reason in the effing world that any of them should have wanted to save Ben, child or not. Period. Bullsh*t.

I disagree. Sawyer and Juliet are both quite happy with the lives they currently have and have made that very clear.

Kate would never had had Aaron if it weren't for Ben.

The process of getting to where they are sucked, certainly, but those three wouldn't have traded it with where they are now.

Jack, on the other hand, doesnt want to help Ben. Obviously Sayid wants him dead. Jin.....that one is questionable as to why he rendered aid.

[Ghoulish Delight]

Originally Posted by scaeagles

I disagree. Sawyer and Juliet are both quite happy with the lives they currently have and have made that very clear.

Kate would never had had Aaron if it weren't for Ben.

None of which matters. Sawyer and Juliet's happy little life would be under no threat if Ben died in that operating room. He was beyond medical help and they would have suffered no consequences if he died.

But that's beside the point, because he doesn't die. That's a fact. Ben Linus grows up to become Ben Linus. So they can't kill him, they can't prevent him from being saved. That doesn't mean they have any reason to do be the ones that save him. There is no logical emotional reason for that. It's Ben.

[scaeagles]

Depends.

It would seems as if their reasoning is entirely the reason why Ben Linus becomes Ben Linus. Circular, but if they don't save him in that fashion, he doesn't become who he is. If he isn't who he is, they don't have the opportunity to save him in that fashion.

I do see what you are saying, I just disagree. I wasn't a huge fan of the episode, but it wasn't because of that.

[RStar]

They should have called this episode "And Kate knocks on many doors".....

[sleepyjeff]

Originally Posted by RStar

They should have called this episode "And Kate knocks on many doors".....