Oh God what I geek I am, Goobye all..

[Claire]

I'm not sure how much of it Cassidy got, really. None of it seemed to faze her, so she clearly missed a lot. Um, I hope, anyway. Unless she's just a cold-hearted little demon child.

We're going to see it again Sunday, so I'm guessing she'll catch a lot more then. Right now she's cuddled up on the couch reading and absorbing the RotS picture dictionary. She made me hide it for the last month. If she didn't understand that Anakin killed the kids last night, she'll read it in the book in a few minutes......and probably get it on Sunday.

As much as she wants the story to be real (I can't even tell you how many times she's wished on a star for a REAL lightsaber), she's entirely aware that it's just fiction. Mentions it all the time to her dad. Kelly will be taking something too seriously, and she'll remind him that it doesn't actually matter since "it's just make-believe."

[Moonliner]

Ohh for lost oppertunity...

How does this sound:

Palpatine: Anakin the dark side of the force has the power to create life. Search your feelings Anakin, you know this to be true. I have created life, Anakin I am your father.


Now that would have been fun.

[Cadaverous Pallor]

Originally Posted by Moonliner

Ohh for lost oppertunity...

How does this sound:

Palpatine: Anakin the dark side of the force has the power to create life. Search your feelings Anakin, you know this to be true. I have created life, Anakin I am your father.


Now that would have been fun.

Sorry Moony, but that's even lamer than the ambiguity they put in where they infer that Palpatine created Anakin. Why all the links, the virgin birth, blah blah? It's like he couldn't come up with new characters so he just made everything far too linked. I'm still pissed about 3po and R2....it's as if Lucas loves too dearly, that he'd do anything to see his favorite characters again, that he's too controlling to let go...

Sounds familiar, eh?

BTW, was thinking about how Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon were talking after the end of this movie....if you were Obi-Wan, what would you say?

"Master, it's good to see you again, but DAMN if you didn't force me into the most sucktastic situation ever. I had to give you a promise on your deathbed, for crying out loud, and because of you I've unleashed the Sith onto the entire galaxy. Yeah, I'm just a little bit miffed."

Doesn't Obi-Wan seem like he should have blamed himself more for the total enslavement of the galaxy? Don't tell me he's so down with the Force that he doesn't feel guilty.

[SusieP.]

Originally Posted by Cadaverous Pallor

Doesn't Obi-Wan seem like he should have blamed himself more for the total enslavement of the galaxy? Don't tell me he's so down with the Force that he doesn't feel guilty.

Yeah, this kind of really is HIS fault, since he didn't stick around to finish the job, or at least make sure that Anakin was actually dead. So I guess that's why he has to go live alone on Tatooine for the next 20 years to make sure that Luke lives long enough to kill Vader. And why he ends up sacrificing himself.

[blueerica]

Originally Posted by Cadaverous Pallor

Doesn't Obi-Wan seem like he should have blamed himself more for the total enslavement of the galaxy? Don't tell me he's so down with the Force that he doesn't feel guilty.

I feel sort of shoddy discussing this with you, because by no means am I a huge SW fan, nor do I know all that much about it, but I don't know why he has to feel guilty over the choices someone else makes. I think the point is that Anakin made all of his own choices. In real life, and in the movies, hindsight is 20/20.

Maybe if what would happen was known, others would have acted differently, perhaps even tried to appease Anakin, but would that have turned him into an even bigger monster? Every turn, even literal turns right and left affect "destiny" whatever the hell that is. Everytime little Ani feels jilted just made him pissy and made him crave the praise Palpatine gave him, it's just common sense. I can't hold Obi Wan accountable for what a baby Anakin is. I'm sure he felt bad in subsequent, unwritten, unfilmed years, why else would you go into "seclusion"? That is what he did, right? Not feeling bad is moving on with your life as though it never happened, IMO.

He probably should have just killed Anakin/Vader, but that probably hurt too much for Obi Wan. A little too much leaving it all in the grey, but hey, he's a Jedi, probably didn't want to do the last blow, or was just too lazy to tie up a potential loose end. In either case, Vader couldn't die; we wouldn't have 4, 5 & 6 if that happened, right?

[Claire]

We took the girls and saw it a second time yesterday in the largest auditorium and on the largest screen that I know about in Portland. It made a difference to me....you could tell by the comments people were making, that many had seen it already, too. People clapped at the Lucasfilm screen, clapped at the end, and there were two women near us bawling again. My SW geek kids had lightsaber battles with other little geeks again before the movie played....so much fun.

I agree with ubergeek....it was much better the second time around. I was prepared for Dukoo being killed off so early, Padme and Anakin's scenes (while still sucky) didn't make me want to puke, and I noticed a lot more.....dialogue (still bad) and plot points that had me going "huh?" last time.

Someone mentioned here or on another board that it didn't make sense for Obi Wan to choose that weird dragon thing as his stallion....but when I watched it again, it did make sense to me. He was hiding....he had them believing that he'd taken off in his ship, so he was trying to blend in (there were dragon things flying all over the place) and it worked.

We went straight home and watched A New Hope. OMG. I can't believe how much of that movie I think I've never understood, even though I've seen it probably fifty or more times and can recite most of it by heart. All the senate and republic gobbledygook never really sunk in before. Now I've got it.

After almost thirty years, I understand it now.

[Cadaverous Pallor]

Originally Posted by blueerica

I can't hold Obi Wan accountable for what a baby Anakin is.

Neither do I. Lucas did do a good job of making it no one's fault. Everyone is a victim of circumstance. The Jedi Council acted as it should have, Obi-Wan (and Qui-Gon) acted as they should have, and Anakin simply is what he is. The thing is this - if you were the one who practically raised Anakin, was at his side teaching him how to weild powers, wouldn't you feel bad if he ended up taking over the galaxy? They show a great moment of this frustration when Obi-Wan screams "you were supposed to be the chosen one!" But as soon as he leaves Ani to die, his internal anguish seems to be gone.

I'm sure he felt bad in subsequent, unwritten, unfilmed years, why else would you go into "seclusion"?

Actually, at the end of the movie, they make it apparent that Obi-Wan must go into hiding to save his own skin, and to watch over Luke. It's not over guilt that he disappears.

In either case, Vader couldn't die; we wouldn't have 4, 5 & 6 if that happened, right?

During the Obi-Wan vs Anakin and Yoda vs Emperor battles, I found myself thinking "all of these characters must live, how will they pull that off?" It the inherent lameness of making prequels.

After all of the good buzz I was ready to be impressed and entered the theater excited. While I did enjoy watching most of it (I laughed, cried, and left the theater feeling somewhat positive) the moment I started trying to link it together I found it lacking, and the more I talk about it the more disappointed I am.

I'll see it again (maybe even on the big screen) but I fear I'll have the same fate that I had with Ep2 - way worse the 2nd time.