MLB '09 - Page 9

Alex · 04-07-2009, 07:59 AM

If you want a measure of a pitcher that includes pitching and fielding then I think Win Shares is what you're after (and in the NL this would also include batting).

ERA isn't a particularly useful number when you get down to brass tacks but like Tom I view it not as a complete measure of the pitcher but rather just of pitching.

Ghoulish Delight · 04-07-2009, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Tom

In the NL, at least, a pitcher's batting affects there ability to win games as well. Should that be factored into ERA?

No, because I think ERA should be about how many runs the other team is likely to score with that pitcher pitching. And to my mind, that includes errors he's responsible for.

Kevy Baby · 04-09-2009, 09:30 AM

Nick Adenhart, Angels pitcher, killed in Fullerton crash

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Angels' pitcher Nick Adenhart was among the three killed in a crash in Fullerton when a driver ran a red light, an associate of the rookie player said this morning. The crash occurred only hours after the 22-year-old appeared in Wednesday night's Angels game.

How bizarre and tragic. He was the starting pitcher and left the game with his team winning. I drove near the crash site this morning after a blood test (was detoured around it).

Wow

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SacTown Chronic · 04-09-2009, 09:41 AM

Sucks.

Ghoulish Delight · 04-09-2009, 10:17 AM

That's 2 Angels-related deaths already this season.

Kevy Baby · 04-09-2009, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight

That's 2 Angels-related deaths already this season.

Angel's Baseball 2009: It's to Die For™

Kevy Baby · 04-09-2009, 02:52 PM

The Angels have canceled tonight's game in honor of Nick Adenhart

Link

Ghoulish Delight · 04-13-2009, 09:16 AM

OMG, a Dodger pitcher made it through 7 innings! It's an Easter miracle!

It took me a while to wrap my head around that fourth-out run rule, but I think I've managed to make sense out of it.

Moonliner · 04-13-2009, 09:25 AM

Consistency that's the key and no one does consistency like the Nationals.

Six straight games. Same consistent result.

You go guys.

Alex · 04-13-2009, 09:38 AM

Enjoyed the four-out situation. I'm currently reading As They See 'Em and the exploration of umpiring minutiae is interesting (and I'm feeling pretty bad for umpires in general).

It was news to me that there is a situation where the umpire is required to give the manager an option between which outcome they'd prefer.

04-07-2009, 07:59 AM	#81
Alex . Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,354	If you want a measure of a pitcher that includes pitching and fielding then I think Win Shares is what you're after (and in the NL this would also include batting). ERA isn't a particularly useful number when you get down to brass tacks but like Tom I view it not as a complete measure of the pitcher but rather just of pitching.
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04-09-2009, 09:41 AM	#84
SacTown Chronic the myth of the dream Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 2,217	Sucks. __________________ Is it the fingers, or the brain that you're teaching a lesson?
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Ghoulish Delight I Floop the Pig Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Alternative Swankstyle Posts: 19,348	That's 2 Angels-related deaths already this season. __________________ 'He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me.' -TJ
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Kevy Baby Chowder Head Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Yes Posts: 18,500	The Angels have canceled tonight's game in honor of Nick Adenhart Link __________________ The thing about quotes on the internet is that you cannot verify their validity. - Abraham Lincoln
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04-13-2009, 09:16 AM	#88
Ghoulish Delight I Floop the Pig Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Alternative Swankstyle Posts: 19,348	OMG, a Dodger pitcher made it through 7 innings! It's an Easter miracle! It took me a while to wrap my head around that fourth-out run rule, but I think I've managed to make sense out of it. __________________ 'He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me.' -TJ
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04-13-2009, 09:25 AM	#89
Moonliner 8/30/14 - Disneyland -10k or Bust. Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 9,022	Consistency that's the key and no one does consistency like the Nationals. Six straight games. Same consistent result. You go guys. __________________ - Taking it one step at a time.
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04-13-2009, 09:38 AM	#90
Alex . Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,354	Enjoyed the four-out situation. I'm currently reading As They See 'Em and the exploration of umpiring minutiae is interesting (and I'm feeling pretty bad for umpires in general). It was news to me that there is a situation where the umpire is required to give the manager an option between which outcome they'd prefer.
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