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[sleepyjeff]

Originally Posted by Disneyphile

Did anyone happen to take a very close look (i.e. pause) at the large hieroglyph at the back of the lower temple where Ben encountered Smokey for "judgement"?

It depicts Anubis, the Egyptian god of the dead, who is kneeling to Smokey, presenting him with an offering, most likely a soul.

Also, remember when the woman asked Lipidus, "What lies at the shadow of the statue?"... well, take a look at this wiki entry about the Egyptian belief of shadows: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egyptian_soul.

This further reinforces my theories about the Atlantis/Egypt mythology being the basis of the whole "mystery".

However, I totally won't rule out the possibility that the island itself is the underworld. (Smokey being the cumulative energy of the harvested souls.)

Also, ever notice how Richard seems timeless (even perhaps immortal)... and he has a LOT of eyeliner... take a look at the heiroglyph of the eye of Horus (king of the gods on earth), the son of Osiris, who is the other Egyptian god of the underworld. Richard just might be Horus...

Which brings us to Ken's theory:

The island is the gateway to the underworld, where souls are judged, as depicted in the hieroglyphs in the temple, and as we witnessed via Smokey and Ben.

Great stuff there...brings me back to the very first episode. When the Losties were on the beach and the monster was ripping apart the Jungle.....many had something to say about it:

Shannon: "What was that?"

Charlie: "That was weird, right?"

Walt: "Was that Vincent?"

Micheal: "It's not Vincent"

Claire: "Did anybody see that"

Hurley: "Yeah"

Random Lostie: "It didn't sound like an animal, not exactly"

Rose: "That sound it made, I kept thinking that there was something familier about it"

Now on the face of it, it would seem that only Rose was offering us any kind of clue to what that thing was......but although I and just about everyone else dismissed it as the silliness of a child not knowing that a dog is not capable of making that kind of racket I think Walt may have been more accurate than we all once thought.

Jackals are, after all, members of the canine family.

Besides, does anyone remember Walt being wrong about anything?

He told Locke not to open the Hatch...
He tried to prevent his father from building the raft...
He even told Shannon to be quiet...

[BarTopDancer]

Originally Posted by Eliza Hodgkins 1812

I think my friend Mike and I may be the only two people who don't think he's evil. Heh.

I'm not convinced he's evil and this week's episode sways me to the not-evil camp even more. He didn't kill Rousseau, told her to run when she hears the whispers (I was hoping they would get more into what the whispers are), wouldn't kill Alex and you could see him rethink killing Penny when her son appeared.

I haven't liked him most of the series but I didn't like Juliet either and she's proven herself to not be horrible (thus far). I still want to know what happened to the children the Others took at the beginning of the series..

[Eliza Hodgkins 1812]

Originally Posted by BarTopDancer

I haven't liked him most of the series but I didn't like Juliet either and she's proven herself to not be horrible (thus far). I still want to know what happened to the children the Others took at the beginning of the series..

I've loved him, evil or good, because he's what interested me about the show at a time when I was rapidly losing interest.

I would like to know what happened to those kids, too.

Also, when he warned Frenchie about the whispers, I thought it was more threat than out of consideration for her safety. He said, "If you want your daughter to live," which I took to mean that if Rosseau followed the whispers as a way to find her daughter, they would kill her daughter. I don't know. I've been wrong many times about this show.

[Pirate Bill]

Originally Posted by Cadaverous Pallor

So....all the other stuff Ben did was a-ok, all the other people he tortured or killed, directly or indirectly...

I'm having trouble thinking of someone Ben killed or had killed who Smokey would not judge to be bad or bad for the island. I'm not saying Ben was justified in killing off the Dharma folks or that they were bad people deserving of death. Just that it's probably what the island wanted, by Smokey's judgement.

Maybe Alex's death is, so far, the only "bad" consequence as a direct result of Ben's selfish actions.

[Eliza Hodgkins 1812]

Originally Posted by Pirate Bill

I'm having trouble thinking of someone Ben killed or had killed who Smokey would not judge to be bad or bad for the island. I'm not saying Ben was justified in killing off the Dharma folks or that they were bad people deserving of death. Just that it's probably what the island wanted, by Smokey's judgement.

Maybe Alex's death is, so far, the only "bad" consequence as a direct result of Ben's selfish actions.

See, her death was less a result of his selfishness than some others, wasn't it? If he was doing what the Island wanted - not give up at any cost - than he may feel guilty over Alex's death because he could have prevented it. But he may have done the right thing (for the Island) by not preventing it. Whereas, when he sent Goodwin off on a dangerous mission to infiltrate the tail end crash victims' camp, Ben did so to separate Goodwin and Juliette because he was jealous. That was definitely selfishly motivated. He had to send someone, sure, but he sent Goodwin to be a prick.

I wonder if we'll ever fully understand how Smokey passes judgment. When Eko saw visions within the smoke, he was then killed. I wonder if it's how one judges himself that decides whether he lives or dies. Eko had respect for the Island, but perhaps Eko judged himself as unworthy and was killed. (Or, you know, because the actor wanted to leave the show.) And perhaps Ben, even faced with the consequences of his actions, truly believed he did what was necessary. Even if he is haunted by guilt and craves forgiveness. Based only on two scenarios, it seems the person being judged as some say. But I am probably grasping at straws.

Still wondering about the curious mechanical noise Smokey makes when it's out and about the Island.

[sleepyjeff]

After last nights episode one does wonder what Ben's purpose is now.....follow Locke around like a puppy dog? He's been forbidden to attempt to usurp Locke anymore and since it appears that Locke really doesn't need Ben's help finding anything at this point just where does he fit in?

Is he simply just another "other"? A mere member of Locke's flock? If so, why did he even bother coming back to the Island? Seems to me he'd have more fun if he just left Locke, the Island et al....take his toys and go home so to speak:

Maaaybe Ben should just YAGE:

How might that go:

Well I'm gonna go then! And I don't need any of this! I don't need this stuff, and I don't need you. I don't need anything except this and that's it and that's the only thing I need, is this. I don't need this or this. Just this picture of me and Alex. And this gun, the picture of me and Alex and the gun and that's all I need. And this donkey wheel. The picture of me and Alex, the gun and this donkey wheel, and that's all I need. And this Ajira water bottle. The picture of me and Alex, and this Ajira water bottle, and the donkey wheel and the gun. And this doll. The picture of me and Alex, this gun and the donkey wheel and the doll and that's all I need. And that's all I need too. I don't need one other thing, not one - I need this! The gun, and the black baton thing, and the doll, and the Ajira water bottle, for sure. Well what are you looking at? What do you think I am, some kind of a jerk or something? And this! And that's all I need. The picture of me and Alex, the gun, the donkey wheel, this black baton thing and the doll.

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[BarTopDancer]

Originally Posted by Eliza Hodgkins 1812

Also, when he warned Frenchie about the whispers, I thought it was more threat than out of consideration for her safety. He said, "If you want your daughter to live," which I took to mean that if Rosseau followed the whispers as a way to find her daughter, they would kill her daughter. I don't know. I've been wrong many times about this show.

I did not think of the comment in that light. Perhaps it was a threat.

And what are those whispers? Where do they come from? What are they saying?

Originally Posted by Pirate Bill

I'm having trouble thinking of someone Ben killed or had killed who Smokey would not judge to be bad or bad for the island. I'm not saying Ben was justified in killing off the Dharma folks or that they were bad people deserving of death. Just that it's probably what the island wanted, by Smokey's judgement.

Perhaps we have yet to learn what "bad things" Dharma has done. We know they lied to Ben's father about what they needed him on the island for. Maybe they killed puppies.

[sleepyjeff]

Originally Posted by BarTopDancer

Perhaps we have yet to learn what "bad things" Dharma has done. We know they lied to Ben's father about what they needed him on the island for. Maybe they killed puppies.

"But you'll also have to watch out for mass murderers, serial killers, torturers and. . .puppy kickers."

~Daria to her sister Quinn~
Daria

[JWBear]

I finally watched last night's episode




FVCK! That was good!


I love me some resurrected Locke!

[BarTopDancer]

Originally Posted by Cadaverous Pallor

The smokey bit was hokey. Did anyone find it compelling, or somehow emotional?

I did in a "this is your life" manner. I was so happy to not have to stop-motion the replay or hunt out the slides on the internet like we had to do for Eko.