South Park creators given signed photo of Saddam Hussein - Page 4

Cadaverous Pallor · 04-10-2009, 08:27 AM

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Is it the worst thing in the world? No. I'd just prefer that people not go around trying to be dicks. I especially prefer that prison guards not be dicks to their prisoners. I even more prefer that they not torture them but I'm a dreamer and dream of a world in which I get both.

Same here.

I will admit that the thought of Hussein having to watch South Park is pretty damn funny. Reason being - he was a genocidal murderer, and if that's as bad as it gets, it works for me. Forcing Hitler to watch The Producers would be funny too. GODWIN, BIATCHES.

Now, making anyone watch anything hundreds of times, or full blast all night long, is cruel. If it truly were to this extent I would be unhappy with it, regardless of who is locked up in there.

All very subjective, I guess. But I think it crosses the line into torture when you talk about sleep deprivation or endless repetition.

Alex · 04-10-2009, 09:41 AM

To be clear (if I wasn't), I don't give a gnat's ass about how Hussein felt about it. I also don't particularly consider sleep deprivation to be an inexcusable form of torture (though if carried far enough it can be). As said, if that is the worst thing that happened to him then go cry me a river.

All I'm talking about are the motivations driving the people who did it. And regardless of how cosmically justified a prisoners humiliation is, prison guards doing it just because they can reflects poorly of the prison guards.

Yes, it is troubling in anybody but I would say it is particularly troubling in prison guards since they exercise complete control over other people. If "he deserves it because he's a bad person" and "it's just embarrassment and not torture" and "well, it is funny" are sufficient reason to excuse them behaving anything less than professionally (even if we can certainly understand the temptation) then this opens the door to a whole lot of behavior we rightfully condemn.

And that is why I say my response might be different if it was done in pursuit of a concrete goal. If they were pursuing a theory that Hussein was so egotistically fragile that 15 viewings of South Park would prompt him to reveal every mass grave in Iraq then that is different and should be discussed within a different framework.

innerSpaceman · 04-10-2009, 09:54 AM

And just what qualities do you expect from people who choose to have complete domination and control over other people?

This is all well and good if you're talking about some petri dish with SIM creatures. But with humanity, we don't have to wonder why politicians are corrupt or why prison guards are cruel.

Ghoulish Delight · 04-10-2009, 09:59 AM

But should we revel in it?

Alex · 04-10-2009, 10:00 AM

Yes, I see. Since we can't realistically expect perfection (which we can't) we should clap at and applaud the failures.

Alex · 04-10-2009, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight

But should we revel in it?

Get outta my head!

Moonliner · 04-10-2009, 10:06 AM

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That would be because you all were not celebrating the torture of prisoners in other threads I have seen.

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Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight

But should we revel in it?

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Originally Posted by Alex

Yes, I see. Since we can't realistically expect perfection (which we can't) we should clap at and applaud the failures.

Get outta my head! Both of you.

BarTopDancer · 04-10-2009, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Alex

To be clear (if I wasn't), I don't give a gnat's ass about how Hussein felt about it. I also don't particularly consider sleep deprivation to be an inexcusable form of torture (though if carried far enough it can be). As said, if that is the worst thing that happened to him then go cry me a river.

All I'm talking about are the motivations driving the people who did it. And regardless of how cosmically justified a prisoners humiliation is, prison guards doing it just because they can reflects poorly of the prison guards.

Yes, it is troubling in anybody but I would say it is particularly troubling in prison guards since they exercise complete control over other people. If "he deserves it because he's a bad person" and "it's just embarrassment and not torture" and "well, it is funny" are sufficient reason to excuse them behaving anything less than professionally (even if we can certainly understand the temptation) then this opens the door to a whole lot of behavior we rightfully condemn.

And that is why I say my response might be different if it was done in pursuit of a concrete goal. If they were pursuing a theory that Hussein was so egotistically fragile that 15 viewings of South Park would prompt him to reveal every mass grave in Iraq then that is different and should be discussed within a different framework.

VAM.

Ghoulish Delight · 04-10-2009, 10:07 AM

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Get outta my head!

Just practicing, since you've named me your successor

€uroMeinke · 04-10-2009, 10:11 AM

So perhaps we should secretly endorse torture so we don't have to feel bad about wanting to be a dick sometimes?

04-10-2009, 09:41 AM	#32
Alex . Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,354	To be clear (if I wasn't), I don't give a gnat's ass about how Hussein felt about it. I also don't particularly consider sleep deprivation to be an inexcusable form of torture (though if carried far enough it can be). As said, if that is the worst thing that happened to him then go cry me a river. All I'm talking about are the motivations driving the people who did it. And regardless of how cosmically justified a prisoners humiliation is, prison guards doing it just because they can reflects poorly of the prison guards. Yes, it is troubling in anybody but I would say it is particularly troubling in prison guards since they exercise complete control over other people. If "he deserves it because he's a bad person" and "it's just embarrassment and not torture" and "well, it is funny" are sufficient reason to excuse them behaving anything less than professionally (even if we can certainly understand the temptation) then this opens the door to a whole lot of behavior we rightfully condemn. And that is why I say my response might be different if it was done in pursuit of a concrete goal. If they were pursuing a theory that Hussein was so egotistically fragile that 15 viewings of South Park would prompt him to reveal every mass grave in Iraq then that is different and should be discussed within a different framework.
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innerSpaceman Kink of Swank Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inner Space Posts: 13,075	And just what qualities do you expect from people who choose to have complete domination and control over other people? This is all well and good if you're talking about some petri dish with SIM creatures. But with humanity, we don't have to wonder why politicians are corrupt or why prison guards are cruel.
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Ghoulish Delight I Floop the Pig Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Alternative Swankstyle Posts: 19,348	But should we revel in it? __________________ 'He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me.' -TJ
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Alex . Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,354	Yes, I see. Since we can't realistically expect perfection (which we can't) we should clap at and applaud the failures.
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€uroMeinke L'Hédoniste Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: A.S.C.O.T. Posts: 8,671	So perhaps we should secretly endorse torture so we don't have to feel bad about wanting to be a dick sometimes? __________________ I would believe only in a God that knows how to Dance. Friedrich Nietzsche
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