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Cadaverous Pallor · 05-14-2009, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by mousepod

The "fate" thing seems close to the "magic" that CP was glad didn't make it into the movie earlier in this thread. Is there a differentiation? If not, is it good that it didn't make it into the theatrical cut?

I'm not a fan of the fate thing, it's an easy cop out, and if they were going to have Spock mention it it's even more annoying, because how in the hell does Spock know that?

innerSpaceman · 05-14-2009, 07:39 PM

Well, you won't like my "solution" much better, because it involves psychic communication. I think the Vulcan mind meld is barely one step from that, and it's clearly shown in TNG that Picard can sense and "hear" the Borg through a psychic connection.

So, "magic" or no, I think psychic communication clearly exists in TrekWorld.

Alex · 05-14-2009, 08:00 PM

But what was the psychic communication?

Spock to Nero: "Abandon me on Hoth."
Spock to Spock: "Abandon Kirk on Hoth."
Spock to Abandonment Shuttle: "Crash land about 2 kilometers from my cave."
Spock to Monster 1: "Chase Kirk away from my cave.
Spock to Monster 2: "Eat monster one and chase Kirk into my cave."
Spock to Monster 2: "You're here now but won't do what I tell you any more so I'm going to scare you away with fire."

innerSpaceman · 05-14-2009, 08:17 PM

no, more along the lines of a suggestion to his own Spockness to maroon Kirk on Hoth instead of the much more logical step of putting him in the brig. I figure a psychic connection with his non-Prime self might be slightly easier to swallow.

But, given my druthers, I would have concocted an entirely new scenario to get Kirk and Spock Prime together, and certainly never would have introduced Scotty that way.

That whole section of the story was ludicrous, and the only good thing about it was Kirk running from alien monsters.

innerSpaceman · 05-14-2009, 08:22 PM

Ok, but is there anything in the new Star Trek remotely as stupid as this retardedness from the highly-esteemed Wrath of Khan? - -

They are in the transporter room of Regula 1 station when Spock informs Kirk the Enterprise is so damaged it cannot transport them back. So they are stranded. Except they're in a transporter room, and the first thing they do is transport to the center of the planetoid ... because they, er, can't transport to the Enterprise instead????

Breezes right by. I certainly never thought about it the first few times I watched Wrath of Khan. But, imo, it's as stupid or worse than anything in the new film.

We have to face it at some point. Star Trek = Stupid.

Cadaverous Pallor · 05-14-2009, 08:22 PM

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That whole section of the story was ludicrous, and the only good thing about it was Kirk running from alien monsters.

Nah, the monsters totally wreaked of underwater Naboo pointlessness.

The only truly good thing about it was Spock's moment talking with Kirk, which I found very touching.

innerSpaceman · 05-14-2009, 08:39 PM

To be honest, I hated that Leonard Nimoy was in this movie. It seemed like pandering. I can't deny loving seeing him as Spock, but I think it dimmed the reboot that was otherwise going so successfully.

But it took me out of the film. If that's old Spock, we know what young Spock looks like ... and it's not like Zachary Quinto. I just found the whole thing off-putting ... and completely groanific when Nimoy had more scenes at the end.

Besides, it's not a smart idea to ask your audience to accept Quinto as Spock ... and then throw in a heavy dose of "real" Nimoy/Spock.

It worked regardless. Not a choice I would have made, but it's always a blast seeing Nimoy as Spock. So just another bit of fun that might have been a tad stupid, but was undeniably and mostly fun.

Cadaverous Pallor · 05-14-2009, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by iSm

I can't deny loving seeing him as Spock, but I think it dimmed the reboot that was otherwise going so successfully.

I agree that when he came back later it was too much, but I had a truly emotional moment when Spock talked about the old/real/alt universe. It was a passing of the torch that hit me in the gut. ymmv, of course.

What might have been with Shatner.

I think the voice over could have worked, and the birthday card could have worked too. I think I'd really dig the latter, and it might have given them a better reason to bring Nimoy back at the end.

Chernabog · 05-15-2009, 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Cadaverous Pallor

Nah, the monsters totally wreaked of underwater Naboo pointlessness.

Awww come on, it was nice to see that the US Government shipped Clover off to Hoth after all.

Cadaverous Pallor · 05-15-2009, 10:48 AM

I love that everyone is calling the snowy planet "Hoth", including Wheaton.

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innerSpaceman Kink of Swank Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inner Space Posts: 13,075	Well, you won't like my "solution" much better, because it involves psychic communication. I think the Vulcan mind meld is barely one step from that, and it's clearly shown in TNG that Picard can sense and "hear" the Borg through a psychic connection. So, "magic" or no, I think psychic communication clearly exists in TrekWorld.
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Alex . Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,354	But what was the psychic communication? Spock to Nero: "Abandon me on Hoth." Spock to Spock: "Abandon Kirk on Hoth." Spock to Abandonment Shuttle: "Crash land about 2 kilometers from my cave." Spock to Monster 1: "Chase Kirk away from my cave. Spock to Monster 2: "Eat monster one and chase Kirk into my cave." Spock to Monster 2: "You're here now but won't do what I tell you any more so I'm going to scare you away with fire." Last edited by Alex : 05-14-2009 at 08:38 PM.
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05-14-2009, 08:17 PM	#224
innerSpaceman Kink of Swank Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inner Space Posts: 13,075	no, more along the lines of a suggestion to his own Spockness to maroon Kirk on Hoth instead of the much more logical step of putting him in the brig. I figure a psychic connection with his non-Prime self might be slightly easier to swallow. But, given my druthers, I would have concocted an entirely new scenario to get Kirk and Spock Prime together, and certainly never would have introduced Scotty that way. That whole section of the story was ludicrous, and the only good thing about it was Kirk running from alien monsters.
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05-14-2009, 08:22 PM	#225
innerSpaceman Kink of Swank Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inner Space Posts: 13,075	Ok, but is there anything in the new Star Trek remotely as stupid as this retardedness from the highly-esteemed Wrath of Khan? - - They are in the transporter room of Regula 1 station when Spock informs Kirk the Enterprise is so damaged it cannot transport them back. So they are stranded. Except they're in a transporter room, and the first thing they do is transport to the center of the planetoid ... because they, er, can't transport to the Enterprise instead???? Breezes right by. I certainly never thought about it the first few times I watched Wrath of Khan. But, imo, it's as stupid or worse than anything in the new film. We have to face it at some point. Star Trek = Stupid.
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05-14-2009, 08:39 PM	#227
innerSpaceman Kink of Swank Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inner Space Posts: 13,075	To be honest, I hated that Leonard Nimoy was in this movie. It seemed like pandering. I can't deny loving seeing him as Spock, but I think it dimmed the reboot that was otherwise going so successfully. But it took me out of the film. If that's old Spock, we know what young Spock looks like ... and it's not like Zachary Quinto. I just found the whole thing off-putting ... and completely groanific when Nimoy had more scenes at the end. Besides, it's not a smart idea to ask your audience to accept Quinto as Spock ... and then throw in a heavy dose of "real" Nimoy/Spock. It worked regardless. Not a choice I would have made, but it's always a blast seeing Nimoy as Spock. So just another bit of fun that might have been a tad stupid, but was undeniably and mostly fun.
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05-15-2009, 10:48 AM	#230
Cadaverous Pallor ohhhh baby Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Parental Bliss Posts: 12,364	I love that everyone is calling the snowy planet "Hoth", including Wheaton.
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