Lost!

[Cadaverous Pallor]

Originally Posted by JWBear

The PTB on this show have been hiding and subsequently revealing important pieces of information from day one. It's what they do. It's what this show is about.

So if they "revealed" that this was the Truman Show on a soundstage with Jack as the star, would that be ok by you? Or the original suspicions that they were in purgatory, or in a snowglobe, or on another planet, or in a drug induced hallucination?

Again - a "twist" is when something that we currently know about is altered. A is pregnant. B had an affair. When you add elements that were completely hidden, that is not a twist. It's an "oh wait no".

I can accept a brand new puppetmaster. It's happened. Like 4 times. They were introduced a while back already, and the effects they had were obviously coming from something other than the people we already knew.

When the ship showed up and the team landed on the island, it was immediately obvious that something was fishy. The viewers did never believed it was a helpful team, even though the team was trying to fool the Losties. When it was eventually revealed that it was Widmore's ship it made sense. That is a plot twist, and a well executed one.

We are near the end of the series. You can't come out in the last 10 min of a play and introduce characters. It's invalidates what you've been watching. You build a story so people can feel involved, you don't just add and add and then it ends suddenly.

It's also lazy. As they said on the Simpsons at the end of the Lord of Flies spoof...."and they're eventually rescued by.....oh let's say Moe."

[JWBear]

It's not like they just made him up. He's been there all along and the witters have been giving us clues. It's just that no one read the clues for what they were and figured it out.

[Ghoulish Delight]

Originally Posted by JWBear

It's not like they just made him up. He's been there all along and the witters have been giving us clues. It's just that no one read the clues for what they were and figured it out.

For my taste, the "clues" were far too vague. For all of the other surprises, there was an obvious, specific vacuum in the story that they filled.

There were whispers and killings and kidnappings - so we meet the others

Desmond was stranded, being kept from his wife, and a mysterious ship was looking for the island and Desmond - so we meet Whidmore.

There is an abundance of scientific equipment, and strange things like polar bears - so we learn about Dharma.

There are mysterious happening on the island in the form of the living dead, smoke monsters, et al. - so we learn about Jacob.

But this new guy? His effect is so overreaching, and dropped in so suddenly, it's a total hand wave. "Hey, everyone, check out this guy. He hates Jacob....oh and by the way he's responsible for pretty much everything that's happened."

All I can think is the end of the Simpsons Lord of the Rings spoof episode. "And they were rescued by, oooh, let's say Moe."

[Cadaverous Pallor]

Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight

All I can think is the end of the Simpsons Lord of the Rings spoof episode. "And they were rescued by, oooh, let's say Moe."

I just posted that....and it's the Lord of Flies, not Lord of the Rings.

[BarTopDancer]

Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight

For my taste, the "clues" were far too vague. For all of the other surprises, there was an obvious, specific vacuum in the story that they filled.

There were whispers and killings and kidnappings - so we meet the others

Desmond was stranded, being kept from his wife, and a mysterious ship was looking for the island and Desmond - so we meet Whidmore.

There is an abundance of scientific equipment, and strange things like polar bears - so we learn about Dharma.

There are mysterious happening on the island in the form of the living dead, smoke monsters, et al. - so we learn about Jacob.

But this new guy? His effect is so overreaching, and dropped in so suddenly, it's a total hand wave. "Hey, everyone, check out this guy. He hates Jacob....oh and by the way he's responsible for pretty much everything that's happened."

All I can think is the end of the Simpsons Lord of the Rings spoof episode. "And they were rescued by, oooh, let's say Moe."

AhHa! This breakdown totally made it clear to me where you and CP are coming from. It makes sense now and I totally see your point. Esau is a random character. For some reason I kept thinking you guys had an issue with 'young Jacob'.

[Ghoulish Delight]

Originally Posted by Cadaverous Pallor

I just posted that....and it's the Lord of Flies, not Lord of the Rings.

I really should wait at least half an hour after waking up before posting on a weekend.

[Cadaverous Pallor]

Originally Posted by BarTopDancer

AhHa! This breakdown totally made it clear to me where you and CP are coming from. It makes sense now and I totally see your point. Esau is a random character. For some reason I kept thinking you guys had an issue with 'young Jacob'.

Ah, cool! Sorry about the confusion. It's Esau that sucks. Young Jacob, meh (good looking tho), but Esau, boo.

[sleepyjeff]

Originally Posted by Cadaverous Pallor

We are near the end of the series. You can't come out in the last 10 min of a play and introduce characters. It's invalidates what you've been watching. You build a story so people can feel involved, you don't just add and add and then it ends suddenly.

Quick, name one character from Jules Verne's The Mysterious Island?

Spoiler:

You probably said Captain Nemo, a character who didn't appear in that book until it was almost......pause for effect....5/6th of the way in

It's also lazy. As they said on the Simpsons at the end of the Lord of Flies spoof...."and they're eventually rescued by.....oh let's say Moe."

I agree with this observation, the entire finale did have a sorta Deus ex machina sort of feel to it....from Bernard/Rose/Vincent being "retired" to Juliet changing her mind about an H-bomb based on a glance

Originally Posted by JWBear

It's not like they just made him up. He's been there all along and the witters have been giving us clues. It's just that no one read the clues for what they were and figured it out.

Perhaps, but I sort of get the feel that the writers placed the clues before they really knew what they were clues for.

Originally Posted by BarTopDancer

AhHa! This breakdown totally made it clear to me where you and CP are coming from. It makes sense now and I totally see your point. Esau is a random character. For some reason I kept thinking you guys had an issue with 'young Jacob'.

What if it turns out that "Esau" goes by the name Aaron?

[BarTopDancer]

Originally Posted by sleepyjeff

What if it turns out that "Esau" goes by the name Aaron?

I said I see their point, not that I agree with their point.

[sleepyjeff]

Originally Posted by BarTopDancer

I said I see their point, not that I agree with their point.

Oh, I know....just throwing out that possibility as I feel that characters(Aaron) story isn't done yet.

Otherwise, I actually do agree with their point......it's time to(and has been for quite a while now) start finishing the stories of the characters we already know and I don't want to see another single new face on this show....no matter how minor or major......until we find out more about the ones who already have been introduced ....such as Walt, Libby, Cindy, Kelvin, etc. etc.