Star Trek

[innerSpaceman]

I know it's canon that Spock served with Captain Pike for some time, but is the 11 years bandied about canon or not? How about Kirk for 8 years on the Farragut? Canon or no?

I can't remember the episodes with such precision, but stating exact amounts of years of prior service doesn't seem like something that would have been uttered on the show.


So, until demonstrated that these specific past histories aired on the tv show, I'm not buying that everyone's reunited on the Enterprise 15 years early in the new movie.

Certainly Spock is there sooner than he should have been. But that's about it, as far as I can tell. And that was just dumb, since it would have been beyond easy to simply have Pike and Spock already serving on the Enterprise for an unnamed period of time.

[Pirate Bill]

Watched it again on Saturday. I liked it even more the second time.

I wasn't distracted or bothered by the lens flares the first time, but with all the talk here (and everywhere else) about how annoying/distracting they are I was worried about the second viewing. No problems though. I noticed them about the same and wasn't distracted. I think I actually like them. (Although if all movies/tv shows started doing it too I'd get bothered. But in this case it's an interesting style choice that I think works.)

Again, got all choked up during the destruction of the Kelvin. Probably more choked up than the first time. I'm not even sure why. It's just a beautiful scene. The visuals, the music, and being a father probably doesn't help much either. Then when the title comes up you want to cheer out, but the tears and the knot in your throat just get in the way. My wife was with me this time. She was sobbing at the end of that scene and punched me in the shoulder for taking her to a "sad movie." I had to reassure her that it gets happy.

My kids were mad at me for not taking them again to the second viewing.

[innerSpaceman]

The denouement of the Kelvin scene is the most brilliant part of the film. I've praised that scene before. The emotions at that moment are high, and the mood goes from sad to exhuberant in a moment, with the best musical score and visuals in the entire movie.

[Alex]

Yes. Many of those references are from actual episodes of The Original Series.

A lot of the Christopher Pike stuff comes from the two-part episode The Menagerie (the one that reused a lot of the original pilot before Shatner was attached).

The work history of Kirk prior to the Enterprise was mentioned in a couple episodes ("Court Martial" puts him aboard the USS Republic as his first duty, and "Obsession" puts him on the USS Farragut about a decade getting the Enterprise). This is an example of the canon not being consistent depending on how you align things it took him 8-15 years to get his first ship.

Then there's the fact that stardates are used in all the episodes and in the movie placing them in time relative to each other.

By those dates, the start of the original series is 2265 and the events of the movie are in 2258 so there is at least a 7 year gap. However, the movie also moves the initial launch of the enterprise from 2245 to 2258.

So Kirk is getting the ship at least 7 years earlier in his life than in the original timeline and the Enterprise is about 20 years younger when he gets it in the new timeline than in the original.

I'm not really too bothered by it all. Timeline is always bent to the needs of the story so as long as the story is ok then I won't be too bothered by it. Trying to make the pieces fit is just part of the fun.

[Alex]

Kamikaze piloting always brings a patriotic tear to my eye, so long as it is done by white people speaking English.

[mistyisjafo]

Star Trek was so unbelievably good. I was so happy that it turned out to be such a good movie. I loved that it referenced many old shows, the actors took on many of the original series habits/speech patterns and Chris Pine is the perfect replacement for "The Shat".

I'm not clear on some of the plot about the time travel stuff. But who cares? Alternate reality? Cool!

Looking forward to seeing it again and getting it on DVD.

[JWBear]

I'm begining to think that there are two Star Trek movies out there, 'cause I can't believe you all watched the same movie I did...

[mousepod]

Originally Posted by JWBear

I'm begining to think that there are two Star Trek movies out there, 'cause I can't believe you all watched the same movie I did...

You just have to say that some people are going to like it, and leave it at that.

Sure, it's frustrating when arguing logic vs emotion (very Trek-like, no?), but I know that the things that infuriate me about the movie are things that don't even matter to those who enjoy it.

I was talking to someone who won't read or watch Twilight because she rewrote the rules for vampires.

I always claim to be an apologist for genre movies, even though I know that most of them are crap. When so many of my friends love a particular genre flick that I know in my heart of hearts isn't a "good" movie, it's probably better to just let 'em.

I'm reminded of my pro-Suspiria arguments a year or so ago. I'm aware of the faults of the movie, but I feel that the pros far outweigh the cons. Many of my friends don't agree. C'est la vie.

I've made my points about Star Trek. I'm ready to move on.

[Alex]

I have faith that we'll all come together again in hating Transformers 2. Sure, there were people who liked the first one, but we've all got two years of additional wisdom built up so that shouldn't be a problem this time around.

[Pirate Bill]

I had no plans to see Transformers 2 in the theater until my wife saw the trailer and is now insisting that we go see it. I'm just going to put aside the desire for a good movie and enjoy Megan Fox and Transformer action.