The random political thoughts thread (Part Deux)

scaeagles · 05-26-2009, 04:54 AM

So the nuclear non proliferation treaty is moot? And forgive me....I think Iran and N. Korea were both signatories, but perhaps have withdrawn from it?

To me, the issue of the bomb is not the issue. The issue of the bomb is how it shows what other countries think about agreements they make. I'm sure someone will say "but we tortured three people with waterboarding!". Point still remains. I don't trust these states that we make agreements with because they use these as a means to an end, knowing that we and the international community lacks the will to enforce them. Saying there will be grave consequences just doesn't hold much weight with Kim Jong Il or Ahmahdinejad.

flippyshark · 05-26-2009, 08:51 AM

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I don't trust these states that we make agreements with because they use these as a means to an end, knowing that we and the international community lacks the will to enforce them. Saying there will be grave consequences just doesn't hold much weight with Kim Jong Il or Ahmahdinejad.

I don't trust them either. Now what in blue blazes has this got to do with the ethics of waterboarding? I've seriously lost your thread here.

Ghoulish Delight · 05-26-2009, 09:41 AM

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Not relating the two of them in the least except to suggest that I think North Korea detonating a nuke is more important.

Gee, how could anyone have gotten the impression that you were trying to relate the two?

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And while the national debate continues along the lines of waterboarding 3 terrorists, North Korea detonates a nuclear weapon. Good thing they followed through on their agreements to dismantle their weapons programs!

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To me, the issue of the bomb is not the issue. The issue of the bomb is how it shows what other countries think about agreements they make. I'm sure someone will say "but we tortured three people with waterboarding!".

Well, I guess you're right. Setting up a strawman isn't quite the same as relating the two.

05-26-2009, 04:54 AM	#1
scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	So the nuclear non proliferation treaty is moot? And forgive me....I think Iran and N. Korea were both signatories, but perhaps have withdrawn from it? To me, the issue of the bomb is not the issue. The issue of the bomb is how it shows what other countries think about agreements they make. I'm sure someone will say "but we tortured three people with waterboarding!". Point still remains. I don't trust these states that we make agreements with because they use these as a means to an end, knowing that we and the international community lacks the will to enforce them. Saying there will be grave consequences just doesn't hold much weight with Kim Jong Il or Ahmahdinejad.
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