The random political thoughts thread (Part Deux) - Page 460

scaeagles · 07-10-2009, 04:40 AM

Broken promises in general, and the list goes far beyond just that.

Strangler Lewis · 07-10-2009, 07:16 AM

Undoubtedly, but I see I'm going to have to get all Sam Kinison from "Back to School" here: "Say it! Say it! Say 'I'm upset with our president for breaking his promises to the gays! For not fighting against Don't Ask Don't Tell!' Say it!"

innerSpaceman · 07-10-2009, 07:57 AM

Oh, I can wait 10 more days for the unleashing of scaeagles' Bill of Faults. In fact, it's something to look forward to.

Alex · 07-10-2009, 09:02 AM

One advantage to being in the loyal opposition. You get to be upset if the promises are kept (because you don't approve of what was promised) and also if they are broken (because obviously the guy's a snake for making promises he doesn't keep).

(Not a partisan statement really, the same was true for Democrats the last eight years.)

innerSpaceman · 07-10-2009, 10:49 AM

Scaeagles, if your complaints have to do with Obama being the president he advertised himself to be while a candidate, I'm going to be calling those sour grapes.

Just as a method of categorization. Not to claim your complaints are invalid.

scaeagles · 07-10-2009, 11:13 AM

I would say perhaps a small amount might be that, but certainly not much. And i wouldn't categorize it as sour grapes, just why what he is doing (which he might have campaigned on) isn't what I think is best.

You are making it challenging to remain reserved in my comments prior to the 20th.

innerSpaceman · 07-10-2009, 11:24 AM

Sorry. Your complaints are your complaints. But why wait 6 months to complain about him being what he claimed to be? You can complain about that from Day 1, it seems to me.

YMMV ... but I've decided to start complaining right now, at 5 months 2 days. Betrayers and turncoats don't deserve 6 months.

scaeagles · 07-10-2009, 11:48 AM

I have avoided any (much? can't say I haven't at all, but don't recall anything specific) complaining to specifically avoid the sour grapes charges.

I put a self imposed six months on it. Will be over soon enough. Maybe after the next 10 days I won't have anything to complain about. Not likely, but anything is possible, I suppose.

innerSpaceman · 07-10-2009, 12:30 PM

Something tells me, and I could be wrong, that this is going to be like the Republicans complaining about Clinton --- when Democrats' complaints about him were that he governed just like a Republican ... and left most of us scratching our heads about what Republicans were on about ... except just wanting to complain, or maybe expressing anger that Bill co-opted all their junk.

Essentially my complaints about Obama is that he's governing like a callous, corporate-tool, wealthy-first Republican ... though, like Bill, talks a forked-tongue sweetness of the oppposite to his intentions.

Cadaverous Pallor · 07-10-2009, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by innerSpaceman

Essentially my complaints about Obama is that he's governing like a callous, corporate-tool, wealthy-first Republican ...

Let me just jump in here a second. I haven't read this thread much at all so if others have said the same (or argued against the same) I apologize for any ignorance on my part.

You know, I thought one-issue politics were supposed to have been proven to be counterproductive and poisonous.

Yes, I'm upset about the gay rights stuff. But to say he's governing like a callous corporate tool yadda yadda is just classic Steve hyperbole. He's running around pushing for health care for all. I know we've heard it a million times now and have forgotten how crazy this is, but remember, we're talking about HEALTH CARE FOR ALL IN AMERICA. This is a big deal, on many levels. And this isn't just talk. He is making it happen.

There are other ways I'm less than ecstatic about Obama. There are other ways I'm very proud of what's going on. But throwing out the baby (and his administration is still in the toddler stage) with the bathwater is just overdramatic black-or-white universe stuff, especially as we tread entirely new political paths, or at least, paths we haven't even considered since Nixon was elected.

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Alex . Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,354	One advantage to being in the loyal opposition. You get to be upset if the promises are kept (because you don't approve of what was promised) and also if they are broken (because obviously the guy's a snake for making promises he doesn't keep). (Not a partisan statement really, the same was true for Democrats the last eight years.)
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innerSpaceman Kink of Swank Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inner Space Posts: 13,075	Scaeagles, if your complaints have to do with Obama being the president he advertised himself to be while a candidate, I'm going to be calling those sour grapes. Just as a method of categorization. Not to claim your complaints are invalid.
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07-10-2009, 11:13 AM	#4596
scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	I would say perhaps a small amount might be that, but certainly not much. And i wouldn't categorize it as sour grapes, just why what he is doing (which he might have campaigned on) isn't what I think is best. You are making it challenging to remain reserved in my comments prior to the 20th.
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07-10-2009, 11:24 AM	#4597
innerSpaceman Kink of Swank Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inner Space Posts: 13,075	Sorry. Your complaints are your complaints. But why wait 6 months to complain about him being what he claimed to be? You can complain about that from Day 1, it seems to me. YMMV ... but I've decided to start complaining right now, at 5 months 2 days. Betrayers and turncoats don't deserve 6 months.
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07-10-2009, 11:48 AM	#4598
scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	I have avoided any (much? can't say I haven't at all, but don't recall anything specific) complaining to specifically avoid the sour grapes charges. I put a self imposed six months on it. Will be over soon enough. Maybe after the next 10 days I won't have anything to complain about. Not likely, but anything is possible, I suppose.
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07-10-2009, 12:30 PM	#4599
innerSpaceman Kink of Swank Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inner Space Posts: 13,075	Something tells me, and I could be wrong, that this is going to be like the Republicans complaining about Clinton --- when Democrats' complaints about him were that he governed just like a Republican ... and left most of us scratching our heads about what Republicans were on about ... except just wanting to complain, or maybe expressing anger that Bill co-opted all their junk. Essentially my complaints about Obama is that he's governing like a callous, corporate-tool, wealthy-first Republican ... though, like Bill, talks a forked-tongue sweetness of the oppposite to his intentions.
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