Accidental or not?

[€uroMeinke]

Originally Posted by SzczerbiakManiac

Absolutely not. But are the gay bashers electing officials who openly promote gay bashing? Have any laws been passed which compel the state to "beat up the faggots"?

Looking at Alex's post above, it doesn't look like that's the case in most Muslim countries as well.

[Cadaverous Pallor]

There are Muslims who do not hate gays, and there are Christians and Jews and Hindus and others who want you dead.

If you want a broad brush, it's going to have be broad enough to cover all religions. That's pretty much everybody. Unless you want to hate everybody who calls themselves a follower of any religion, I suggest you stop hating all Muslims.

I hate extremism of any stripe. Seems like a more worthy target.

[Ghoulish Delight]

Originally Posted by SzczerbiakManiac

Absolutely not. But are the gay bashers electing officials who openly promote gay bashing?

Yes, because the minority of Islamic-ruled countries where homosexuality is punishable by death are known as bastions of democracy where, clearly, their governments represent the will of the people. They're also bastions of freedom of speech and assembly where people who disagree with their ruthless leaders often feel free to demonstrate against them.

Yes, we are. As a nation we elect our leaders and ultimately it's our problem when they fück up. And in the long run, we usually try to make it right.

Glad to know you think the attacks on 9/11 were justified since, by extension, the people in the twin towers are partially responsible for the instability in Afghanistan that our government played a large hand in creating.

[SzczerbiakManiac]

Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight

the minority of Islamic-ruled countries where homosexuality is punishable by death are known as bastions of democracy where, clearly, their governments represent the will of the people. They're also bastions of freedom of speech and assembly where people who disagree with their ruthless leaders often feel free to demonstrate against them.

If the governed don't like their government, they need to make a new one. It happens all the time. <looks at South America & Africa> They look to me like they're pretty content with the status quo. I'd love to read evidence to the contrary.

Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight

Glad to know you think the attacks on 9/11 were justified since, by extension, the people in the twin towers are partially responsible for the instability in Afghanistan that our government played a large hand in creating.

I think that's an awfully big leap there GD. Do we blame the Chinese butterfly who caused a hurricane in Florida?

[€uroMeinke]

I don't find hate any more palatable when directed at Muslims instead of gays

[Not Afraid]

Originally Posted by €uroMeinke

I don't find hate any more palatable when directed at Muslims instead of gays

Clear, concise and perfect. Thank you.

[SzczerbiakManiac]

I don't find institutionalized persecution of homosexuals palatable.
I don't find treating women like property palatable.
I don't find calling for an artist's death because he drew a picture of a historical figure palatable.

[Alex]

Neither do I.

I don't find that all Muslims do all of these things so I don't treat them as if they do.

However, it is nice to for once being on the side going easy on religion. I am curious if the citizens of Turkey need to be invading other countries to absolve themselves of responsibility for what other governments do.

[Not Afraid]

Originally Posted by SzczerbiakManiac

I don't find institutionalized persecution of homosexuals palatable.
I don't find treating women like property palatable.
I don't find calling for an artist's death because he drew a picture of a historical figure palatable.

I don't find any excuse for blanket hate palatable.

[SzczerbiakManiac]

Originally Posted by Alex

I am curious if the citizens of Turkey need to be invading other countries to absolve themselves of responsibility for what other governments do.

I not sure what you mean, but I'll take a stab—correct me if I read that wrong.

No. I don't think the citizens of Turkey (nor America, for that matter) need to be invading other countries.

Yes, I do consider Muslims to be the enemies of gays. But I am not suggesting we go to war with them. I think "enemies" can exist without combat.