The random political thoughts thread (Part Deux) - Page 493

scaeagles · 09-14-2009, 11:36 AM

I only did so, Flippy, because JW said no dem leadership would support such a thing.

JWBear · 09-14-2009, 03:03 PM

Did you even read my last post, Leo?

JWBear · 09-14-2009, 03:23 PM

It's good to know that there are a few Republicans left who are not buying-in to the lunacy.

scaeagles · 09-14-2009, 03:59 PM

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Did you even read my last post, Leo?

I did, but chose not to respond. You can find the page number yourself. I don't care to debate which nazi reference means what or who is worse or whatever. Simply wanted to show that yes, indeed, dem leadership has supported and made such comments.

Please note that I am not saying that YOU are not worth the time or effort. I just see little value in pursuing that train of conversation.

BarTopDancer · 09-14-2009, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by scaeagles

I did, but chose not to respond. You can find the page number yourself.

Raise your hand if you're surprised.

Really Leo, not cool. If you're going to post stuff like that at least make the same effort everyone else does and post a direct link, a page number, something. By not doing it you are saying we're not worth your effort.

Ghoulish Delight · 09-14-2009, 04:19 PM

I happen to agree with scaeagles on this one. I can't imagine it's hard to find many many examples of democratic policy makers making idiotic nazi accusations (oh look here's one right here). I don't think JW is goign to get very far with a, "Democrats never stoop to inflammatory rhetoric" line of argument, it doesn't take accurate reference citing to see it's not a particularly relevant road to travel.

I do think, on the other hand, Flippy made a rather salient point about the fact that at least the vast majority of criticism from the left, even when it wanders into the absurd and inflammatory, deals in actions actually taken, not theoretical outcomes of actions not taken, and not even being attempted to be taken.

BarTopDancer · 09-14-2009, 04:27 PM

It's not hard to make the effort to post an example either if you're already staring at it.

scaeagles · 09-14-2009, 04:28 PM

I find it interesting that all someone has to do is google "Robert Byrd" "hermann goering" and "losing america" and they find all sorts of information about it.

To indulge: Chapter 8 of his book begins with a long quotation from Goering and links Bush's justification of the Iraq war to this quote, meaning that Bush is using Nazi tactics to justify the war. Does Byrd say "Bush is a nazi."? No. But I suppose if someone used quotes from Hitler and said "Obama sounds just like that" it might be interpretted in a bad light.

I cannot post a link to the exact page of the book. Most likely due to copywrite it isn't available. What I am referencing is this, a review of the book. If you do not trust it, I suggest you look at the 100s of other links out there pointing to the same information.

I honestly do NOT find any benefit in trying to define which comparisons to nazis are worse than others. JW basically said "oh yeah? well that's just not as bad". I don't see the reason to continue that portion of the conversation.

scaeagles · 09-14-2009, 04:29 PM

And it's not hard to enter the google search to find the information, either, should you care to. I thnk it's funny that JW says "no dem leader would ever do such a thing", I say to the contrary and site one example, yet I am chastized for not posting the link rather than the person who said what I found to be rather....uninformed.

JWBear · 09-14-2009, 04:32 PM

Sorry Leo (and GD)... Not the same. Show me a democratic leader who directly compared bush to Hitler himself, or directly supported or approved of someone who did.

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Ghoulish Delight I Floop the Pig Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Alternative Swankstyle Posts: 19,348	I happen to agree with scaeagles on this one. I can't imagine it's hard to find many many examples of democratic policy makers making idiotic nazi accusations (oh look here's one right here). I don't think JW is goign to get very far with a, "Democrats never stoop to inflammatory rhetoric" line of argument, it doesn't take accurate reference citing to see it's not a particularly relevant road to travel. I do think, on the other hand, Flippy made a rather salient point about the fact that at least the vast majority of criticism from the left, even when it wanders into the absurd and inflammatory, deals in actions actually taken, not theoretical outcomes of actions not taken, and not even being attempted to be taken. __________________ 'He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me.' -TJ
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scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	I find it interesting that all someone has to do is google "Robert Byrd" "hermann goering" and "losing america" and they find all sorts of information about it. To indulge: Chapter 8 of his book begins with a long quotation from Goering and links Bush's justification of the Iraq war to this quote, meaning that Bush is using Nazi tactics to justify the war. Does Byrd say "Bush is a nazi."? No. But I suppose if someone used quotes from Hitler and said "Obama sounds just like that" it might be interpretted in a bad light. I cannot post a link to the exact page of the book. Most likely due to copywrite it isn't available. What I am referencing is this, a review of the book. If you do not trust it, I suggest you look at the 100s of other links out there pointing to the same information. I honestly do NOT find any benefit in trying to define which comparisons to nazis are worse than others. JW basically said "oh yeah? well that's just not as bad". I don't see the reason to continue that portion of the conversation.
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scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	And it's not hard to enter the google search to find the information, either, should you care to. I thnk it's funny that JW says "no dem leader would ever do such a thing", I say to the contrary and site one example, yet I am chastized for not posting the link rather than the person who said what I found to be rather....uninformed.
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JWBear Worn Romantic Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Long Beach California Posts: 8,435	Sorry Leo (and GD)... Not the same. Show me a democratic leader who directly compared bush to Hitler himself, or directly supported or approved of someone who did. __________________ Unrestrained frivolity will lead to the downfall of modern society.
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