The random political thoughts thread (Part Deux)

[wendybeth]

Originally Posted by scaeagles

And it's not hard to enter the google search to find the information, either, should you care to. I thnk it's funny that JW says "no dem leader would ever do such a thing", I say to the contrary and site one example, yet I am chastized for not posting the link rather than the person who said what I found to be rather....uninformed.

Perhaps this post sums up our differences in a nutshell. Dems want proof, facts, links, whatever- they want to be informed. Repubs seem fine with just repeating things without backing them up with facts. (Death panels, WMD, Birthers, etc). It's well known around here that if you state something specific, especailly something controversial, you'd better be able to back it up. No wonder paranoia runs so rampant in the conservative arena. Did you actually read the review that link presented? What were your thoughts regarding it's content?

[Alex]

Originally Posted by wendybeth

Dems want proof, facts, links, whatever- they want to be informed.

How did you get all the way through that with a straight face?

[wendybeth]

Originally Posted by Alex

How did you get all the way through that with a straight face?

It wasn't easy. The Botox helps.

[wendybeth]

Here is the Goering quote, which Byrd invoked when explaining how we got to this weird state we find ourselves in:

Byrd in his quest to put the current administration in the strongest possible light thus proving that the Emperor Has No Clothes even cites an infamous quotation by Hermann Goering on how to sell a war to the citizenry; it is:

“Why, of course, the people don’t want war. Why would some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best that he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece? Naturally, the common people don’t want war; neither did Russia, or England or America, nor for that matter Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leader of the country who determine policy and it is always a simple matter to drag people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a Parliament or a Communist dictatorship…[V]oice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country.”—Hermann Goering, quoted in the Nuremberg Diary (1947) by G.M. Gilbert

That is hardly calling Bush 'Goering'- he simply uses Goering's quote to illustrate a point. I doubt very much Bush has ever read the Nuremburg Diary- he, by his own admission, is not a readerer. (Sorry, couldn't resist).

[scaeagles]

Originally Posted by wendybeth

Perhaps this post sums up our differences in a nutshell. Dems want proof, facts, links, whatever- they want to be informed.

Obviously JW was not informed on the issue. Yet you indict me. Hmm. Wonder why. JW made a blanket statement that was false, but apparently what I wrote it far more eggregious to you. I might suspect JW is a dem, not a republican.

If I am to be criticized for not purchasing Byrd's book, scanning a page, and posting the image, rather than simply posting a link (admittedly not at first until I was chastized for that) to direct quotes from the book, then whatever.

I did not actually read the entire content of the page, no. I was criticized for posting info without a link, so I found something that directly quoted the book, yet that's not good enough either. I could have posted any number of links with the same info. You would rather quibble about the review than about what was in the book when the subject was clearly about leaders of parties either referring to or agreeing with comparison to nazis.

[wendybeth]

Actually, I was just curious as to your thoughts on the subject matter. Seems more interesting than continuing this same boring line of "Oh, yeah....well, you guys do it, too!". My bad. Wake me up when the conversation gets reasonably intelligent.

[JWBear]

Originally Posted by wendybeth

Actually, I was just curious as to your thoughts on the subject matter. Seems more interesting than continuing this same boring line of "Oh, yeah....well, you guys do it, too!". My bad. Wake me up when the conversation gets reasonably intelligent.

Thank you!

I was taught as a child that it it's not ok to do stupid or immoral things just because others have done them. My mother would never let us get away with that one! Some people obviously never learned that lesson.

[wendybeth]

Thanks, JW. I just find it ironic that the one link he deigned to look up actually does not support his assertion to the degree that we seem to be discussing here. Granted, the review was uncomfortably slavering in it's admiration for the author, but there was some interesting stuff contained within and Byrd does not seem to directly call Bush another Goering.

[JWBear]

Originally Posted by scaeagles

Obviously JW was not informed on the issue. Yet you indict me. Hmm. Wonder why. JW made a blanket statement that was false, but apparently what I wrote it far more eggregious to you. I might suspect JW is a dem, not a republican.

If I am to be criticized for not purchasing Byrd's book, scanning a page, and posting the image, rather than simply posting a link (admittedly not at first until I was chastized for that) to direct quotes from the book, then whatever.

I did not actually read the entire content of the page, no. I was criticized for posting info without a link, so I found something that directly quoted the book, yet that's not good enough either. I could have posted any number of links with the same info. You would rather quibble about the review than about what was in the book when the subject was clearly about leaders of parties either referring to or agreeing with comparison to nazis.

I did not make a false blanket statement. Just because you don't happen to agree with it, and choose to support your party no matter what, does not make what I said (what I actually said, not what you are pretending to think I said) any less true.