The random political thoughts thread (Part Deux) - Page 503

Alex · 09-18-2009, 03:20 PM

That may be, though as presented by him today he seems to think (though of course what the creator of something thinks s/he's doing and what s/he's really doing are frequently divergent) it is making a case for his vision of how things could be. His closing remarks were that he hopes at the end of the movie everybody is so fired up that they go out and get involved and make it happen.

innerSpaceman · 09-18-2009, 03:27 PM

I wouldn't mind if audiences were fired up enough to light fire to torches and grab some pitchforks. What happens afterwards will likely be the same (meet the new boss) ... but I've always wondered what kind of society would result if greedy and corrupt fvckwads were annually tarred and feathered and run out of town on a razor wire. Would the new boss continually be same as the old boss ... or would a niche eventually develop for ungreedy and noncorrupt people in positions of power?

Alex · 09-18-2009, 03:42 PM

Well, the first problem is that it generally isn't the ungreedy upset by the greedy--I'm sure someone will say "not true" but I don't think "greed" and "self interest first" can be separated--and the losers are upset at the winners and simply want the tables turned.

I come from poor people. They aren't sitting around saying "oh how terrible it is that there are poor people and we aren't all socioeconomically equal." Generally it is "how do I get myself a bigger piece of the pie." I'd say that's why people are so often amazed at the poor and powerless seeming to vote against their interests. It isn't that they want the separation between the powerful and the powerless removed, they just want to change categories.

The unusual thing about America is the general belief (right or more often wrong) that they will do just that.

scaeagles · 09-18-2009, 04:20 PM

Breifly (as I have not much time right now), if those are the policies of Fortis, then I would regard them as a "bad" organization. And fortunately, they are paying the price. Sadly, legal actions take a long time and the loss of life could occur, which is reprehensible. Which is why I wish the judgement had been 100 million rather than 10 million. If it is certainly not worth their financial interest to violate their agreements perhaps they will stop doing so.

JWBear · 09-18-2009, 05:04 PM

I just found out that my Representative (a Democrat) voted to defund ACORN. I'm going to send her a very strongly worded email. I'm pissed.

Alex · 09-18-2009, 05:54 PM

press the Bill of Attainder argument.

€uroMeinke · 09-18-2009, 07:16 PM

My friend Andrew was in a band called Acorn. I think they were big in Italy for awhile. I don't think they had anything to do with child prostitutes or denying insurance claims.

Betty · 09-18-2009, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by €uroMeinke

My friend Andrew was in a band called Acorn. I think they were big in Italy for awhile. I don't think they had anything to do with child prostitutes or denying insurance claims.

How about squirrels?

€uroMeinke · 09-18-2009, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Betty

How about squirrels?

That was another band

3894 · 09-20-2009, 06:50 AM

Dumping Bush's border fence would buy a whole lot of public option insurance.

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Alex . Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,354	That may be, though as presented by him today he seems to think (though of course what the creator of something thinks s/he's doing and what s/he's really doing are frequently divergent) it is making a case for his vision of how things could be. His closing remarks were that he hopes at the end of the movie everybody is so fired up that they go out and get involved and make it happen.
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innerSpaceman Kink of Swank Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inner Space Posts: 13,075	I wouldn't mind if audiences were fired up enough to light fire to torches and grab some pitchforks. What happens afterwards will likely be the same (meet the new boss) ... but I've always wondered what kind of society would result if greedy and corrupt fvckwads were annually tarred and feathered and run out of town on a razor wire. Would the new boss continually be same as the old boss ... or would a niche eventually develop for ungreedy and noncorrupt people in positions of power?
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09-18-2009, 03:42 PM	#5023
Alex . Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,354	Well, the first problem is that it generally isn't the ungreedy upset by the greedy--I'm sure someone will say "not true" but I don't think "greed" and "self interest first" can be separated--and the losers are upset at the winners and simply want the tables turned. I come from poor people. They aren't sitting around saying "oh how terrible it is that there are poor people and we aren't all socioeconomically equal." Generally it is "how do I get myself a bigger piece of the pie." I'd say that's why people are so often amazed at the poor and powerless seeming to vote against their interests. It isn't that they want the separation between the powerful and the powerless removed, they just want to change categories. The unusual thing about America is the general belief (right or more often wrong) that they will do just that.
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09-18-2009, 04:20 PM	#5024
scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	Breifly (as I have not much time right now), if those are the policies of Fortis, then I would regard them as a "bad" organization. And fortunately, they are paying the price. Sadly, legal actions take a long time and the loss of life could occur, which is reprehensible. Which is why I wish the judgement had been 100 million rather than 10 million. If it is certainly not worth their financial interest to violate their agreements perhaps they will stop doing so.
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JWBear Worn Romantic Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Long Beach California Posts: 8,435	I just found out that my Representative (a Democrat) voted to defund ACORN. I'm going to send her a very strongly worded email. I'm pissed. __________________ Unrestrained frivolity will lead to the downfall of modern society.
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09-18-2009, 05:54 PM	#5026
Alex . Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,354	press the Bill of Attainder argument.
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€uroMeinke L'Hédoniste Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: A.S.C.O.T. Posts: 8,671	My friend Andrew was in a band called Acorn. I think they were big in Italy for awhile. I don't think they had anything to do with child prostitutes or denying insurance claims. __________________ I would believe only in a God that knows how to Dance. Friedrich Nietzsche
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3894 Next Stop: Funkytown! Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Cheeselandia Posts: 1,907	Dumping Bush's border fence would buy a whole lot of public option insurance. __________________ "I didn't want to have to do this, but you leave me no choice. Here comes the smolder." - Flynn Rider, "Tangled"
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