The random political thoughts thread (Part Deux)

[JWBear]

Originally Posted by scaeagles

I'm angry at a 787 billion dollar stimulus. So yeah, there's anger at things he has done. And anger at things he says he wants to do.

I find it a bit scarier that people accused Bush of planning 9/11 than anything anyone has accused Obama of thus far. And last I checked....Bush didn't plan it.

The difference is that the people who accuse Bush of planning 9/11 didn't interrupt town hall meetings to scream their delusion, or assemble in large numbers to march on Washington, or carry guns to a presidential events. Nor did they have their own "news" channel that gave legitimacy to their paranoia.

If you are angry at the stimulus bill, then you must also be really pissed about Bush's TARP bill.

[Alex]

Originally Posted by JWBear

The difference is that the people who accuse Bush of planning 9/11 didn't interrupt town hall meetings to scream their delusion, or assemble in large numbers to march on Washington, or carry guns to a presidential events.

While the last thing certainly is true, the truther movement was surprisingly large and established. And they most certainly did interrupt events with protests. Hell, one of them (Cynthia McKinney) was elected to congress after leading one of the major groups in the movement.

They may not have been as successful at doing so, but why pretend they were just an insignificant annoyance?

If you are angry at the stimulus bill, then you must also be really pissed about Bush's TARP bill.

If you go back, I believe you'll find he was.

[scaeagles]

Indeed I was. If I am consistent on anything politically, it is fiscal conservatism. I have been a very vocal opponent of Bush and his spending.

[Gn2Dlnd]

Originally Posted by scaeagles

It was a genuine question.

No, it was baiting.

Originally Posted by scaeagles

You had said you hoped people were so afraid of being called racists they wouldn't oppose the President.

No I didn't. I said, "I naively hoped that people would be so afraid of being labeled racist that they would choose to cooperate with the president more."

Originally Posted by scaeagles

The only reason they would have that fear is if a charge of racism was a used and accepted political tool when no racism exists.

Or if they were racist. But apparently, no one can be called racist because racism suddenly ceased to exist. No one's racist anymore, and all accusations of racism are politically motivated. Unlike, of course, accusations that Barack HUSSEIN (has to be in caps!) Obama wasn't born in this country and is a secret Muslim sleeper cell who is going to have his death panels drag grandma and Sarah Palin's ever-so-special-needs baby out to a field and shoot them dead. THAT'S not an accepted political tool (though Glenn Beck is), that's just flowers and light and the love of Jesus don'cha know.

[scaeagles]

Oh good lord. How is what I said that much different than your exact quote? Sheesh. Baiting? Absolutely not.

I guess this is where we vary (amongst many other things). It seems to me that you believe racism is prevalent. I don't. I do not deny it exists....speaking of baiting. I also don't believe I ever claimed that politicians don't play politics.

[scaeagles]

In the interests of full disclosure, it does appear as if one of the five ACORN vidoes is NOT quite as bad as it appears. Apparently one of the workers on the videos did contact police. Story

[JWBear]

So where is the ourage over Halliburton, Blackwater, and that company that was hired to guard the embassy in Afganistan? Billions of dollars of government money paid to companies that do far more illegal things every day than what ACORN has been accused of. Where is the right-wing outrage over that?

Oh... that's right... they are Republican owned and supported companies. My bad.

[Alex]

The straight dope on prostitutes and filing taxes.

Interesting to learn that you can list your profession as Prostitute and the IRS wouldn't do anything about it since the IRS is not able to share tax returns with law enforcement on their own but rather only when it is requested as part of an existing law enforcement investigation.

Though the article should have mentioned what is put on the form by legal prostitutes in Nevada.

[BarTopDancer]

I touched on this earlier but I'm not sure what I was trying to say came out right.

Racism is alive in this country (if anything needs a "death panel" it's racism and bigotry in general). We're lucky we live in areas that it is not experienced to the blatant extent that it is elsewhere.

Do I think everyone who opposes Obama is a racist? Absolutely not.

Do I think some people are opposing Obama based solely upon his race? Yup.

Do I think they are in the majority? No.

Do I think the extremists who oppose him based upon fear mongering are in the majority? Sort of. They are the vocal majority but I don't think they are the true majority of opposition. I wish that the non-extremists who oppose Obama's plan would speak up in a rational manner and silence the vocal extremists.

Extremists hurt causes on both sides of the fence.

I really fear we are going to be a country divided, forever. Acting like children when our candidate doesn't win, throwing a vocal tantrum, counting down until the next election forever. Behavior like this doesn't help anyone, or the country. I completely believe that if a Republican wins the next election the "left" will be behaving just as bad as the "right" is now.

[scaeagles]

Originally Posted by JWBear

So where is the ourage over Halliburton, Blackwater, and that company that was hired to guard the embassy in Afganistan? Billions of dollars of government money paid to companies that do far more illegal things every day than what ACORN has been accused of. Where is the right-wing outrage over that?

Oh... that's right... they are Republican owned and supported companies. My bad.

My oh my! I get lambasted here if I dare point out something done on the left (when the discussion is what is bad on the right) because I'm told that I'm saying "well, your guys do something worse!". Is that where you are taking this? Shocked.

Where's your outrage over the tax cheats in the administration? Or Charles Rangel? We can play this game all day.