Dick Durbin

scaeagles · 06-20-2005, 08:59 AM

Scrooge - why do you think I would defend that? What have I said to make you think I would defned beating anyone close to death? Have I not said the perps from Abu Ghraib should be prosectued? Of course those responsible for the beating should be prosecuted, and prosecuted under the UCMJ, which I believe has much more strict penalties than the US justice system.

However, I would not believe in any way that this would be indicative of daily happenings. Here's my reasoning - if this was something that was happening regularly to detainees, would the higher ups who ordered this training exercise have done so with a US MP? That would be the equivalent of taking a bomb squad member and training them with live explosives in the field. If it was a pattern, the commanders would not risk what happened for obvious reasons. Can I say that it hasn't happened to a detainee? No. Can I say prisoners in the US justice system are never beaten by guards? No. Can I say that policemen never abuse those they arrest? No. Is is all wrong? Yes. Do I believe that anyone of those are commonplace or the norm? No.

Also, I would offer that what Durbin quoted did not include anything of being chained to the floor without food or water for days. There was no time period for that long - at least not observed by the person who wrote what Durbin quoted. I will offer that I have no way of knowing how long they are chained that way, but also that the FBI agent who wrote that does not either.

Scrooge McSam · 06-20-2005, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by scaeagles

However, I would not believe in any way that this would be indicative of daily happenings.

What exactly does the term "training drill" mean to you?

Am I to believe they let this "training drill" continue because they wanted to demonstrate what NOT to do?

Whenever I've participated in training, I've always believed it's because they want to impart to me techniques and procedures they WANT me to use.

Your mental gymnastics here just amaze me.

06-20-2005, 08:59 AM	#1
scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	Scrooge - why do you think I would defend that? What have I said to make you think I would defned beating anyone close to death? Have I not said the perps from Abu Ghraib should be prosectued? Of course those responsible for the beating should be prosecuted, and prosecuted under the UCMJ, which I believe has much more strict penalties than the US justice system. However, I would not believe in any way that this would be indicative of daily happenings. Here's my reasoning - if this was something that was happening regularly to detainees, would the higher ups who ordered this training exercise have done so with a US MP? That would be the equivalent of taking a bomb squad member and training them with live explosives in the field. If it was a pattern, the commanders would not risk what happened for obvious reasons. Can I say that it hasn't happened to a detainee? No. Can I say prisoners in the US justice system are never beaten by guards? No. Can I say that policemen never abuse those they arrest? No. Is is all wrong? Yes. Do I believe that anyone of those are commonplace or the norm? No. Also, I would offer that what Durbin quoted did not include anything of being chained to the floor without food or water for days. There was no time period for that long - at least not observed by the person who wrote what Durbin quoted. I will offer that I have no way of knowing how long they are chained that way, but also that the FBI agent who wrote that does not either.
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