HCR Passes

[scaeagles]

Originally Posted by Betty

(begin snarkyness - you've been warned)

Maybe you should see your doctor about that... because you have health insurance and wow, wouldn't it be great if we all could see a doctor when we were sick? Oh that's right, the thought makes you sick to your stomache.

(/snark)

I'll snark right back at you, but will refrain from using the names that pop into my head.

I am sick of the implications that people against this bill don't care. Perhaps - just maybe, if your tunnel vision can allow you to see past the typical mantra - you could imagine that there are those out there - a vast majority of people opposed to this bill - don't think it's the best way to go about it.

But I suppose that may not be fair to say. When most members of congress haven't read it, I suppose I can't truly object to the provisions. Oh, wait....i do nkow there are provisions about the student loan program. Yeah, that's vital to health care.

Don't care about the warning in the least, Betty. Does warning someone that you're going to be an idiot make it OK to be an idiot?

Out of snark mode and back to people who apparently do want to have intelligent discussion about this. Which has been pretty much everyone in this thread up to Betty's post.

[Moonliner]

Originally Posted by scaeagles

Oh, wait....i do nkow there are provisions about the student loan program. Yeah, that's vital to health care.

*Ding!* Student Loan?

Did you say student loan? Oh oh. I'd not heard that was included.

I better go have a Google for that. Moonie Jr. is college bound in ~18-Months and Headliner is not far behind.

[JWBear]

While I admit that I have not read all 2700 pages, I have read several summaries. Have you read any, Leo? If so, then what - specifically - do you object to? If not, then perhaps you should, and then get back to us.

Vague objections concerning "Loss of freedom" and "government takeover" don't hold water when you actually know what is in the bill.

[Betty]

Originally Posted by scaeagles

I'll snark right back at you, but will refrain from using the names that pop into my head.

I am sick of the implications that people against this bill don't care. Perhaps - just maybe, if your tunnel vision can allow you to see past the typical mantra - you could imagine that there are those out there - a vast majority of people opposed to this bill - don't think it's the best way to go about it.

But I suppose that may not be fair to say. When most members of congress haven't read it, I suppose I can't truly object to the provisions. Oh, wait....i do nkow there are provisions about the student loan program. Yeah, that's vital to health care.

Don't care about the warning in the least, Betty. Does warning someone that you're going to be an idiot make it OK to be an idiot?

Out of snark mode and back to people who apparently do want to have intelligent discussion about this. Which has been pretty much everyone in this thread up to Betty's post.

And here I was feeling bad that I was the 3rd person to make the same joke - but whatever if you want to single me out.

Perhaps you, in your own "tunnel vision", can't see the urgency that others do. You have all the time in the world to wait for reform when you have health insurance...

While we think about things like not sending the kids to their friends house with a trampolene because if they fall and get hurt, we are beyond screwed to pay the bill for that. When my teenage daughter is cooking and we fret because she's using the "big" knife and if she cut herself badly, we would be screwed. And that's just from this weekend. We live our lives around the FEAR of not having health care available to us.

What is so wrong with making progress and giving people the opportunity to live their lives without fear of going bankrupt over normal sickness and injuries?

It's a lot easier to wait for reform to happen when you've got health insurance...

...For someone like me, on the other side of the coin, every day waiting is another day something terrible can happen and wipe us out. So yes, I do have tunnel vision - with health care being the light at the end of the tunnel.

[Ghoulish Delight]

Originally Posted by Betty

...For someone like me, on the other side of the coin, every day waiting is another day something terrible can happen and wipe us out. So yes, I do have tunnel vision - with health care being the light at the end of the tunnel.

My cousin (who is of my parents' generation) sent a comic strip around to some family members (thankfully I'm not on his email list) where the "punchline" was that the election of Obama and health care reform were the work of the devil. When my mom, whose daughter is on the verge of being severely screwed in the insurance department because she had the audacity to have cancer while unemployed, wrote back explaining that perhaps not everyone thought that joke was very funny, his response was, "Geez, you take it so personally." Umm, yeah, that's because it's affecting her personally!

[JWBear]

Originally Posted by Betty

It's a lot easier to wait for reform to happen when you've got health insurance...

This sums up, I think, one of the major differences I see between myself and many on the other side of the health care reform debate. I have excellent and affordable health insurance. So the reforms (at this point, at least) have little affect on my access to coverage. It's not a personal thing for me. However, I have the ability (thank goodness) to be sympathetic to the plights of others who are less forunate. I have the ability to see beyond my own selfish needs and to support what is best for all Americans.

[scaeagles]

Originally Posted by Betty

And here I was feeling bad that I was the 3rd person to make the same joke - but whatever if you want to single me out.

I found it different because yours implied I wanted to puke because others might get cared for. The other two were things like "I hope maalox is covered for you tummy". Good natured vs. accusatory.