HCR Passes

[Alex]

Originally Posted by sleepyjeff

Fascist or Socialist?....um, I guess Socialist but only because it would make it easier to target who to blame.

See, you're not saying that it is a step towards Seattle from Miami, you're just saying it is Seattle.

But anyway, I guess your support can now be counted on when the next step is attempted for a single payer system. Since we're already in Seattle, presumably if the option is status quo or switch to socialism (which is what it'll be) you'lll be supporting the switch.

[wendybeth]

Just out of curiosity- do the people who are not for this bill resent having to subsidize the healthcare systems of the military? If not- why?

[sleepyjeff]

Originally Posted by Alex

But how are you drawing that bright solid line? Especially when it looks like every step taken away from Miami gets labeled as Seattle? Or it is claimed we already live in Boise.

Maybe not Boise, but certainly no further East than Wyoming....

If only there were some sort of document, respected by all of our lawmakers limiting .......sigh.

[sleepyjeff]

Originally Posted by wendybeth

Just out of curiosity- do the people who are not for this bill resent having to subsidize the healthcare systems of the military? If not- why?

I do and I don't.......I believe that we would all be a lot better off if healthcare didn't have insurance. Like College education, healthcare costs so much because the consumer is too far removed(or at least insulated) from the equation. Let a free market reign and the costs would not be so high and most would be able to afford healthcare.....and the few who couldn't would not be that big of a burden for charities to handle.

But since the reality of the world is not a free market I see no reason why the military shouldn't have insurance paid for by the people who they work for......just as in most other businesses.

[BarTopDancer]

Originally Posted by sleepyjeff

Maybe not Boise, but certainly no further East than Wyoming....

If only there were some sort of document, respected by all of our lawmakers limiting .......sigh.

Oh, you mean that thing that Bush completely forgot about disregarded?

[Ghoulish Delight]

The free market is what created the medical insurance industry*.





*some non-free market forces are what propelled it rapidly into entrenchment, but it came to be of its own free will.

[sleepyjeff]

Originally Posted by BarTopDancer

Oh, you mean that thing that Bush completely forgot about disregarded?

Yeah, that. Before you give up anymore power to the federal government maybe you should remember that another Bush may be only 4 to 8 years away

Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight

The free market is what created the medical insurance industry.

Not the grossly regulated, forced monopolized version we have now....nothing free market about it.

[bewitched]

Originally Posted by sleepyjeff

Yeah, that. Before you give up anymore power to the federal government maybe you should remember that another Bush may be only 4 to 8 years away

[choking laughter]

Do you mean the "smart one"?

[/choking laughter]

[sleepyjeff]

Ok, I am bowing out of this discussion........a few final thoughts:

1) It's not as bad as many on the right have been saying........yet.

2) I am not "outraged" at the Dems or Obama. I think it was a mistake to pass this bill for a whole host of reasons chief of which is I am for free markets and this is not free.

3) I hope it works. And if it doesn't I hope enough Dems have the character to recognize it's failings and dump it rather than try to fix it with endless buckets of money.

[wendybeth]

Originally Posted by sleepyjeff

I do and I don't.......I believe that we would all be a lot better off if healthcare didn't have insurance. Like College education, healthcare costs so much because the consumer is too far removed(or at least insulated) from the equation. Let a free market reign and the costs would not be so high and most would be able to afford healthcare.....and the few who couldn't would not be that big of a burden for charities to handle.

But since the reality of the world is not a free market I see no reason why the military shouldn't have insurance paid for by the people who they work for......just as in most other businesses.

When I no longer work for a company, they generally cancel my insurance. Many companies do not pay for insurance, either in part or whole, and do not cover families. (The insured opts to pay to add on to their policy). I am not at all against military health coverage- I just wish the people who make the armaments, produce the hardware, build the planes and provide food to the troops might get a little help. The military is nothing without the people who work to support it- why should they count less? Again, I am a military brat and I totally support what they do receive- I think they deserve better, in fact. I just happen to feel that way about all Americans.