The random political thoughts thread (Part Deux) - Page 582

Ghoulish Delight · 04-02-2010, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Alex

I'd be curious to know what had been discussed earlier in the show, perhaps something about how everybody who opposes HCR is lumped in with violent right-wing terrorists. I'm sure he meant "these people who the left would call Tim McVeigh wannabes in a shotgun blast attempt to discredit them..." but yeah, it makes for a horrible soundbite.

I don't know if he brought it up earlier in the interview, but he apparently did on the radio the day before, and certainly did mean just that. But man, throw some air-quotes in there or something if you're going to use it like that.

Alex · 04-02-2010, 10:55 AM

Yeah, and while I don't condone presenting a clip as saying something you reasonably know it doesn't, Sean Hannity is hardly in a position of purity to bitch if people do it to him.

alphabassettgrrl · 04-03-2010, 10:40 AM

The problem with using irony in politics is that some people don't get the joke....

And when you're talking about blowing things up, or reloading in a gun context, that can get ugly.

Morrigoon · 04-12-2010, 03:51 PM

I'm not sure Poizner's ads are having the effect he intends with them. I was feeling kinda negative on Meg Whitman, then he runs ads accusing her of not being Republican enough. Sounds like a selling point to me. And definitely sets me up against him. He's obviously forgotten that in a close race you need to appeal to moderates.

Ghoulish Delight · 04-12-2010, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Morrigoon

I'm not sure Poizner's ads are having the effect he intends with them. I was feeling kinda negative on Meg Whitman, then he runs ads accusing her of not being Republican enough. Sounds like a selling point to me. And definitely sets me up against him. He's obviously forgotten that in a close race you need to appeal to moderates.

She's running the same line against him, but cherry-picking a different set of votes than he is. This is for the primaries, they need to get the support of their party to get the opportunity to court moderates. "I'm more republican" is the way to do that.

Alex · 04-12-2010, 05:26 PM

I'm very much against Meg Whitman and Poizner's view on how to handle illegal immigration is horrible and, in my opinion, disqualifying.

Not too keen on Jerry Brown again (he didn't impress me when he was my mayor). But California is so broken that the only way I can see any tough choices being made is for one party to control the legislature and governorship. Yeah, they may drive us off the cliff but we're already going over and the current situation just gives both sides the incentive to prefer inaction over letting the other side win any point.

Ghoulish Delight · 04-14-2010, 02:11 PM

Whaddya think Arizona, should hispanics who are here legally start wearing sombrero-shaped patches on their clothes so bus drivers know who they can pick up without fear of legal action?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010...migration-laws

innerSpaceman · 04-14-2010, 02:16 PM

Round 'em all up, and sort out the rest later. We'll show them to demographic us out of our privileged majority status.

Alex · 04-14-2010, 02:23 PM

Considering that there is no legal requirement to carry evidence of citizenship with you, how would a lack of documentation be evidence of being here illegally?

Maybe this is how certain portions of the right finally come to support a national identification card with requirements that it be carried at all times.

innerSpaceman · 04-14-2010, 02:32 PM

As I understand it, Alex, the Arizona law requires everyone in the state to carry documentary proof of citizenship.

That would seem to run afoul of, oh, I dunno, the Constitution. And perhaps I'm misinformed about the law -- I haven't read it, just reports. But those reports make internal sense -- otherwise, as you point out, the law is entirely unenforceable.

Which I wouldn't mind at all.

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Morrigoon I throw stones at houses Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Location: Location Posts: 9,534	I'm not sure Poizner's ads are having the effect he intends with them. I was feeling kinda negative on Meg Whitman, then he runs ads accusing her of not being Republican enough. Sounds like a selling point to me. And definitely sets me up against him. He's obviously forgotten that in a close race you need to appeal to moderates. __________________ http://bash.org/?top "It is useless for sheep to pass a resolution in favor of vegetarianism while wolves remain of a different opinion." -- William Randolph Inge
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Alex . Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,354	I'm very much against Meg Whitman and Poizner's view on how to handle illegal immigration is horrible and, in my opinion, disqualifying. Not too keen on Jerry Brown again (he didn't impress me when he was my mayor). But California is so broken that the only way I can see any tough choices being made is for one party to control the legislature and governorship. Yeah, they may drive us off the cliff but we're already going over and the current situation just gives both sides the incentive to prefer inaction over letting the other side win any point.
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Ghoulish Delight I Floop the Pig Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Alternative Swankstyle Posts: 19,348	Whaddya think Arizona, should hispanics who are here legally start wearing sombrero-shaped patches on their clothes so bus drivers know who they can pick up without fear of legal action? http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010...migration-laws __________________ 'He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me.' -TJ
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innerSpaceman Kink of Swank Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inner Space Posts: 13,075	Round 'em all up, and sort out the rest later. We'll show them to demographic us out of our privileged majority status.
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Alex . Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,354	Considering that there is no legal requirement to carry evidence of citizenship with you, how would a lack of documentation be evidence of being here illegally? Maybe this is how certain portions of the right finally come to support a national identification card with requirements that it be carried at all times.
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04-14-2010, 02:32 PM	#5820
innerSpaceman Kink of Swank Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inner Space Posts: 13,075	As I understand it, Alex, the Arizona law requires everyone in the state to carry documentary proof of citizenship. That would seem to run afoul of, oh, I dunno, the Constitution. And perhaps I'm misinformed about the law -- I haven't read it, just reports. But those reports make internal sense -- otherwise, as you point out, the law is entirely unenforceable. Which I wouldn't mind at all.
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