The random political thoughts thread (Part Deux) - Page 594

Strangler Lewis · 05-08-2010, 07:07 AM

The problem with outrage against the law is that it will lead to a push-back where Arizona thinks, "You know, all we wanted was to be able to campaign for reelection by saying we voted against the Mexicans. But you want racism? Here we go."

I don't get that upset about racial profiling. It either makes sense, or it doesn't depending on the magnitude of the problem. It didn't make sense with internment camps. It doesn't make sense to be randomly strip searching white grandmothers at airports. It doesn't make sense to be randomly hassling middle eastern passengers either given the rarity of terrorist incidents. Whether it makes sense in Arizona depends on the ratio of illegal brown skinned people to legal ones measured against the perceived harm caused by illegal presence, which, apparently, is not much since the crime has been declared a misdemeanor.

wendybeth · 05-10-2010, 04:31 PM

BarTopDancer · 05-10-2010, 05:32 PM

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And as far as polls and anger, reading this very recent polling data would seem to suggest that there isn't as much outright anger as you might believe.

So you formed an opinion based upon an LA times blog written about a Fox News poll?

Real reliable.

scaeagles · 05-10-2010, 05:39 PM

Well, BTD, if you would take the time to actually research it, you would find very similar polling data. Very similar numbers are all over if you would take the time to look.

Gemini Cricket · 05-10-2010, 05:48 PM

Speaking of polling and the news outlets in general, I have a huge distrust of the news media right now. It's been growing and growing in me. And that goes for Fox News and MSNBC. Big businesses deciding what is newsworthy... Sounds fishy to me. I find myself relying on the BBC more. (Not saying that they don't have biases as well, it just seems more credible to me.)

alphabassettgrrl · 05-10-2010, 06:37 PM

I like the BBC, too. I especially like how calm they are- just reporting the news, not putting color into it, not dramatizing it.

And I feel I'm getting actual news, not just what seems trendy to report. Not just what other stations are reporting on.

scaeagles · 05-10-2010, 07:56 PM

In terms of newspapers (onlne anyway), I prefer the British press as well.

Betty · 05-11-2010, 07:50 AM

The news has become little more than a combination of what I'm supposed to be afraid of today and entertainment tonight.

scaeagles · 05-11-2010, 08:06 AM

Indeed.

Ghoulish Delight · 05-12-2010, 06:06 PM

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Boycotts are not going to work. Seriously. The people are not smart enough to make it happen, honestly.

Whether it's going to work remains to be seen, but at least some people seem to be smart enough to make it happen.

LA council votes to boycott AZ

$7.7 million isn't a crippling amount, but it's not insignificant either.

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Strangler Lewis Doing The Job Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: In a state Posts: 3,956	The problem with outrage against the law is that it will lead to a push-back where Arizona thinks, "You know, all we wanted was to be able to campaign for reelection by saying we voted against the Mexicans. But you want racism? Here we go." I don't get that upset about racial profiling. It either makes sense, or it doesn't depending on the magnitude of the problem. It didn't make sense with internment camps. It doesn't make sense to be randomly strip searching white grandmothers at airports. It doesn't make sense to be randomly hassling middle eastern passengers either given the rarity of terrorist incidents. Whether it makes sense in Arizona depends on the ratio of illegal brown skinned people to legal ones measured against the perceived harm caused by illegal presence, which, apparently, is not much since the crime has been declared a misdemeanor. __________________ Live now-pay later. Diner's Club!
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scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	Well, BTD, if you would take the time to actually research it, you would find very similar polling data. Very similar numbers are all over if you would take the time to look.
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Gemini Cricket ... Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 13,244	Speaking of polling and the news outlets in general, I have a huge distrust of the news media right now. It's been growing and growing in me. And that goes for Fox News and MSNBC. Big businesses deciding what is newsworthy... Sounds fishy to me. I find myself relying on the BBC more. (Not saying that they don't have biases as well, it just seems more credible to me.)
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alphabassettgrrl Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 4,978	I like the BBC, too. I especially like how calm they are- just reporting the news, not putting color into it, not dramatizing it. And I feel I'm getting actual news, not just what seems trendy to report. Not just what other stations are reporting on. __________________ Why cycling? Anything [sport] that had to do with a ball, I wasn't very good at. -Lance Armstrong
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scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	In terms of newspapers (onlne anyway), I prefer the British press as well.
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Betty Kicking up my heels! Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: The Silver State Posts: 3,783	The news has become little more than a combination of what I'm supposed to be afraid of today and entertainment tonight. __________________ Nee Stell Thue
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05-11-2010, 08:06 AM	#5939
scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	Indeed.
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