Lost!

[Eliza Hodgkins 1812]

I think we are to assume that Desmond took Lockness Monster's boat, since he knew how to sail.

I only wish the Island had been Limbo, as I think planned. Jack seeing his Dad, Locke being able to walk, Walt reading a comic that included a polar bear and essentially manifesting one, and the whispers (which reminded me of The Others), all seem to be evidence of this plan. Seems like the writers went out of their way to convince us otherwise when so many of us guessed that, creating a diversion that looks in retrospect like very bad writing. But I don't mind that the show was about flawed people coming together, forming various kinds of relationships, and coming to terms with themselves. Purpose of the show stays true but I maintain it would probably have worked better if they hadn't gone so far out of their way to tell it.

[LSPoorEeyorick]

Yeah, I think you guys are all right on with the shoulda-been-limbo-all-along argument.

I was surprised how much I enjoyed the episode - I was right with it throughout the whole episode... right up until Jack opened the coffin in Bertie Bott's Every Flavour Chapel. At that moment, I knew what was going on - but I was in my head, grieving for that moment I'm not sure I'll ever get with my mom. (Side note - it was the anniversary of her death and I hadn't really processed that fact until that moment.) Pulled me out of the episode completely, so I'm not sure I've got a response to the series ending. It ended. They didn't answer stuff. I liked the emotional satisfaction. I feel kind of manipulated. But they focused on the characters, and since that was my biggest argument against the Jacob/Brother episode, I probably feel somewhat OK.

[Cadaverous Pallor]

So much to post.

Seems apparent that everyone who watched it now knows that the original idea was limbo, and when people called it on them they flinched. The really sh.tty thing is that in creating another reality that is then limbo, the TV show about the island is completely pointless. You could end ANY story with "and when they died eventually, either in the circumstance or long since, they all met up in the afterlife." The show could have been about anything, at all.

Speaking of rendered pointless - as EH mentioned above, Shannon and Sayid?? What about Sayid and his amazing story of love in war torn Iraq? I always adored his backstory and to have that swept under the rug for bimbo Shannon is pathetic. I'm also annoyed that this "one true love" thing affects how we view Kate and Sawyer's relationship, which they again worked so hard to build up. When Kate and Jack separated I thought they made it abundantly clear that they weren't meant for each other. One could argue misdirection, but I argue lameness.

Shannon and Boone get to take their bows, but not even a cameo from Michael and/or Walt. And what about Mr. Eko? If Rose weren't there you could practically accuse the writers of racism.

I said to GD earlier that this show wrapped up the emotional side of the show but left the mental side untouched...but now I'm thinking that it wrapped up only certain aspects of the emotional side.

It was incredible for the first two-thirds or so. All the flashing rememberances were so emotional, so real. As they flashed, we flashed, we remembered that we've been there, with them, for so long. For all the movie and literary references this show has brought to mind, I kept thinking of The Neverending Story last night - from breathlessly staying in touch with these characters to the world collapsing. I even turned to GD during the island destruction moments and said "It's The Nothing!" Seeing as how the cork/light etc remain wonderfully nebulous, "The Nothing" is an especially appropriate name.

Still, Sun and Jin truly reunited, Hurley going to get Charlie, even Juliet and Sawyer (which I give credit to the actors for, as I had a hard time buying into them at all), and my God, the Charlie/Claire/Aaron part....such powerful stuff.

Yeah, total sap for childbirth scenes now. I was laughing and BAWLING. Never mind that I adored them way back when and it's been so long!...

Just thinking about it all, it's a rollercoaster.

[mousepod]

Here I was midway through Season 6 thinking the sideways was "The Last Temptation of Christ", when it turned out to be "Jacob's Ladder".

[innerSpaceman]

Bwahaha.

Oh, and I take back what I said about the inhabitants of cooperatively-created limbo. There were so many side characters from the Island there this season that it's obviously a catch-all limbo for ex-Islanders, and not at all created merely by people close to one another.


Of course, CP is right that the show could have taken place anywhere, and I suppose I'm a bit disappointed that the Island didn't figure into anything but "stuff happened." But I've felt along that the story was just a bunch of stuff happening, cool stuff meant to perplex and confound and entertain and intrigue - - but never with any real "answers" or "solutions" ever conceived by the writers. It was all a fun detour of questions and mysteries taken from the limbo story first being told, and finally returned to at the end.


I both enjoyed it and get to be smug about it. I'm a happy ex-Lostian.



So now I'll sip my leftover bottle of Dharma water, and ponder the show for the rest of the day. Of course, Dharma labels were on 90% of the foodstuffs last night, including dozens of different, individually (re-)wrapped chocolates. Everyone was handed an Oceanic Flight 815 boarding pass upon arrival, and their names were crossed off from a wall which listed all the anticipated guests. I was reluctant to eat any of the biscuits with The Numbers carved into them, but eventually consumed #8, and I think #15 was left over at the end of the night - if that portends anything. The Clucky's chicken was ultra-yummy, the costumes were adorable, and the company grand. Thanks again to H & T for a wonderful send-off to this great show which has annoyed me and entertained me for such an epic run.

[Eliza Hodgkins 1812]

Originally Posted by innerSpaceman

So now I'll sip my leftover bottle of Dharma water, and ponder the show for the rest of the day. Of course, Dharma labels were on 90% of the foodstuffs last night, including dozens of different, individually (re-)wrapped chocolates. Everyone was handed an Oceanic Flight 815 boarding pass upon arrival, and their names were crossed off from a wall which listed all the anticipated guests. I was reluctant to eat any of the biscuits with The Numbers carved into them, but eventually consumed #8, and I think #15 was left over at the end of the night - if that portends anything. The Clucky's chicken was ultra-yummy, the costumes were adorable, and the company grand. Thanks again to H & T for a wonderful send-off to this great show which has annoyed me and entertained me for such an epic run.

Hear, hear! Thanks, Heidi and Tom! Was grand fun.

[Ghoulish Delight]

I'm satisfied that, at the core, we were left with an essentially episodic world, populated by some interesting characters with some pretty complex emotions and motivations.

I'm unsatisfied that they set up a framework that promised to deliver something more overreaching than that. Something that offered a view on religion and a view on science that could have been interesting. Instead it felt like they gave up and resorted to hand waving, leaving a muddled, incomplete thought behind.

They knew they had solid characters and thought they could use that as a foundation for something grander. They never quite collected their thoughts enough to get there. Fortunately, they were still left with that solid foundation.

[Cadaverous Pallor]

Any pics of the party? If not, I want to hear more. Costumes?

Originally Posted by iSm

I both enjoyed it and get to be smug about it. I'm a happy ex-Lostian.

Hehe, I can dig that.

[innerSpaceman]

I wish I'd thought to take pictures. As usual when I'm having a good time, thoughts of photography go by the wayside.

My drowned-Charlie costume didn't pan out, but there was a Locke/Anti-Locke, a Hurley, a fifth-season Jack complete with bushy beard, pills and booze, a really good Daniel Faraday, and a Zoe (is that the name of Widmore's assistant whom I was so happy to see throat-slashed last week?)


Our names on the wall was my favorite touch, I think. I hated to cross mine off, but I really don't want to be a candidate for anything. I'm gonna treasure my Oceanic boarding pass though. Glad I remembered to swipe it, but so upset I forgot to see the KITTIES. Aaaarrrraggghghg!!!

[Ghoulish Delight]

By the way, who here watched the 2hr pre-show?

We did. While in the middle of it I found myself sort of wishing I wasn't watching it. I've purposely avoided the podcasts and such. I'm a TV show purist in the sense that I want what I need to know to be shown on screen during your allotted time slot. I want to see the show and decide what it means to me, not have the producers hold my hand and tell me what they want me to get out of it. If they can't communicate that within the confines of the show, then they've failed at creating their show. So I was kinda bummed that I was going into the finale with that "guidance" for the first time.

But in the end I was glad I watched it. I still take the points away for it needing to be there. But the show had gone wildly off track, and watching that helped me focus on what the creators and writers considered the important elements and forget about the extra stuff they tried on for size but never got to fit. Even if a lot of what they defined as important was only so in hindsight, I took it as, "Here are things we tried that worked and aided the themes that we had in mind, don't worry so much about the stuff we tried that didn't. Our bad."