Batman Begins (possible spoilers)

Ghoulish Delight · 07-12-2005, 08:55 AM

[Disclaimer: Forgive me, and please correct me, if I get anything wrong regarding the history of the Batman story and what is and isn't in the comic books. My knowledge is limited, mostly to the animted series. It was always my understanding that the animated series followed the comics relatively faithfully, but I could be wrong]

We saw Batman Begins this weekend, and I loved it. Batman is back! This really needn't be a long review. Just a quick rundown of the pluses and the small handfull of minuses.

The pluses were many. I thought all of the actors and all of the characters were great. I thought the look and feel were awesome. And, most importantly, the writing we excellent. This movie involved two of my favorite villains, Ra's Al Ghul and the Scarecrow, and they did justice to them. Scarecrow's role was minor, but it seemed to be left open for a future return, which is fine with me. And, from what I know of the comic books, they took some liberties with the story by combining the Scarecrow plot with the Ra's Al Ghul plot...and it was done masterfully. There was purpose to both characters and didn't feel cobbled together in the least.

Of course, it wasn't perfect. I have a short list of things I didn't like. Fight scenes, models/cgi, and one really bad round of plot convenience playhouse.

Fight scenes: One of a growing list of movies where the fight scenes are shot too dark, with too many short edits, and too close. And everyone's wearing black. You have no idea what's going on, who threw the last punch, or who is winning the fight. In this case, there was a creative purpose to this as much of the movie had to do with fear and confusion. Good idea, bad execution. The should have been able to get the "fear and confusion" across without confusing the audience.

Models/cgi: Not so much from a technical standpoint, they looked decent enough (though one or two bits stood out as "hey look, it's the cgi bits"). But mostly, the overall setting was uninteresting. Gotham didn't wow me.

Plot convenience playhouse: One really bad awful moment where no amount of suspension of disbelief should have allowed what happened to occur

Spoiler:

That's it. Everything else was a-ok with me. I'm looking forward to the next installment.

Eliza Hodgkins 1812 · 07-12-2005, 10:44 AM

Not only do I think it's the best Batman movie ever made, I think it might be the best superhero movie ever made. I laughed, I cried, I cheered, I nearly wet myself with excitement. And all those Brits types doing the BEST U.S. accents I've ever heard?! Holy CRAP, Tom Wilkinson is amazing. Gary Oldman never went crazy once. He was just shy and sweet and tender hearted and good, and I totally love watching him evolve into the eventual Commissioner Gordon. Liam Neeson gave one of his best performances and was so effin' good locking.

Cillian Murphy was a marvelous and terrifying Scarecrow, I thought. And I love how they did the effects for the gas.

Christopher Nolan just gets is. I give him major, major kudos.

Gotham City was beautifully done. Loved the Asian influence.

Ah, me. I loved this movie. I might have to go see it again before it's out of the theaters. Maybe with my Dad.

"And, from what I know of the comic books, they took some liberties with the story by combining the Scarecrow plot with the Ra's Al Ghul plot...and it was done masterfully."

Ditto.

Ghoulish Delight · 07-12-2005, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Eliza Hodgkins 1812

Gary Oldman never went crazy once. He was just shy and sweet and tender hearted and good, and I totally love watching him evolve into the eventual Commissioner

Gary Oldman is the ultimate chameleon. I never recognize him from role to role. It's like he has plastic surgery between every job.

Eliza Hodgkins 1812 · 07-12-2005, 11:00 AM

I saw The Scarlett Letter because he was in it. Afterwards, I asked myself, Was he out of his fvcking mind? Drunk? On drugs? Fvcking Demi Moore? WHY WOULD HE BE IN THIS COMPLETE PIECE OF DOG ****E!?

Then I read an interview with him a couple of years later where he said he was drunk the entire time he was on set, and the movie was filmed before he went into rehab.

So I was right.

Have you ever seen a very strange movie he filmed with Lena Olin, Romeo is Bleeding. Straaaaaange. And neato.

libraryvixen · 07-12-2005, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Eliza Hodgkins 1812

Then I read an interview with him a couple of years later where he said he was drunk the entire time he was on set, and the movie was filmed before he went into rehab.

So I was right.

Hee hee... you're a movie psychic. Though... for a drunk performance, it was better than some "normal" acting (see: Hilary Duff)

CoasterMatt · 07-12-2005, 07:33 PM

Sorry, when I first read the topic, I read

BATMAN BEGUINES

I could see Baz Lurhman making that film

Motorboat Cruiser · 07-12-2005, 08:41 PM

We were most pleasantly surprised with the movie. I'm not a huge Christian Bale fan but he played the role better than I imagined he would. Loved Michael Caine, Liam Neeson and Morgan Freeman. I agree about the Gotham thing, didn't really do it for me. Still, a fun time and can't wait for a sequel.

mistyisjafo · 07-12-2005, 10:18 PM

I saw it too. It was so awesome. The best movie this summer by far. Course it's been a crappy summer but who cares! Batman Begins was fantastic. I mean I loved the original movie by Tim Burton and even #2 but this movie was so much better and darker.

Did I mention that I liked it at all??!!!

scaeagles · 07-12-2005, 10:44 PM

We actually had a babysitter tonight and went to see it. Simply remarkable. I agree with Eliza - could be the best super hero movie ever made.

What was amazing to me was thay Batman became someone who was believable. Spiderman getting bit by a radioactive spider and mutating into Spiderman? Nah. Good movies, but nah. Superman the space alien? nah. But this - I could believe that this Batman was real.

The set up for his evolution into the caped crusader was masterfully done. The flashback scenes combined with his training and mentoring, and his refusal to join the league of shadows involved excellent story telling and dialogue with superb acting all around.

I am someone who knows nothing of Batman in the comics - so the plots intertwining various villians meant nothing to me and couldn't have ruined the movies.

I was just glad this wasn't as stupid as any of the other Batman movies, as I really thought the others sucked.

Ghoulish Delight · 07-13-2005, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by scaeagles

I am someone who knows nothing of Batman in the comics - so the plots intertwining various villians meant nothing to me and couldn't have ruined the movies.

Actually, it very well cold have. Because the danger lies not in, "I'm a geek and know those characters don't go together, therefore it sucks." The danger lies in, "WTF was that plot about? Why the hell are those two villains working together? What is this contrived bs?" It's happened before (Batman Returns and, even worse, Batman and Robin, for instance). You don't have to know the comics to recognize bad writing and poorly pieced together gimicks.

07-12-2005, 08:55 AM	#1
Ghoulish Delight I Floop the Pig Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Alternative Swankstyle Posts: 19,348	Batman Begins (possible spoilers) [Disclaimer: Forgive me, and please correct me, if I get anything wrong regarding the history of the Batman story and what is and isn't in the comic books. My knowledge is limited, mostly to the animted series. It was always my understanding that the animated series followed the comics relatively faithfully, but I could be wrong] We saw Batman Begins this weekend, and I loved it. Batman is back! This really needn't be a long review. Just a quick rundown of the pluses and the small handfull of minuses. The pluses were many. I thought all of the actors and all of the characters were great. I thought the look and feel were awesome. And, most importantly, the writing we excellent. This movie involved two of my favorite villains, Ra's Al Ghul and the Scarecrow, and they did justice to them. Scarecrow's role was minor, but it seemed to be left open for a future return, which is fine with me. And, from what I know of the comic books, they took some liberties with the story by combining the Scarecrow plot with the Ra's Al Ghul plot...and it was done masterfully. There was purpose to both characters and didn't feel cobbled together in the least. Of course, it wasn't perfect. I have a short list of things I didn't like. Fight scenes, models/cgi, and one really bad round of plot convenience playhouse. Fight scenes: One of a growing list of movies where the fight scenes are shot too dark, with too many short edits, and too close. And everyone's wearing black. You have no idea what's going on, who threw the last punch, or who is winning the fight. In this case, there was a creative purpose to this as much of the movie had to do with fear and confusion. Good idea, bad execution. The should have been able to get the "fear and confusion" across without confusing the audience. Models/cgi: Not so much from a technical standpoint, they looked decent enough (though one or two bits stood out as "hey look, it's the cgi bits"). But mostly, the overall setting was uninteresting. Gotham didn't wow me. Plot convenience playhouse: One really bad awful moment where no amount of suspension of disbelief should have allowed what happened to occur Spoiler: As the police are shutting down an entire section of the city due to the most violent criminals in the city escaping a mental institution, the DA chick walks up to the police and literally says nothing more than, "I'm from the DA's office, let me through," and they just let her through. Retarded, and completely unecessary. All they had to do was have a crowd of people trying to get through, distracting the police, and have her slip through in the confusion. That line was ridiculous. That's it. Everything else was a-ok with me. I'm looking forward to the next installment. __________________ 'He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me.' -TJ
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Eliza Hodgkins 1812 Sputnik Sweetheart Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Long Beach Posts: 2,685	I saw The Scarlett Letter because he was in it. Afterwards, I asked myself, Was he out of his fvcking mind? Drunk? On drugs? Fvcking Demi Moore? WHY WOULD HE BE IN THIS COMPLETE PIECE OF DOG ****E!? Then I read an interview with him a couple of years later where he said he was drunk the entire time he was on set, and the movie was filmed before he went into rehab. So I was right. Have you ever seen a very strange movie he filmed with Lena Olin, Romeo is Bleeding. Straaaaaange. And neato.
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Motorboat Cruiser Cruiser of Motorboats Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: So Cal Posts: 3,665	We were most pleasantly surprised with the movie. I'm not a huge Christian Bale fan but he played the role better than I imagined he would. Loved Michael Caine, Liam Neeson and Morgan Freeman. I agree about the Gotham thing, didn't really do it for me. Still, a fun time and can't wait for a sequel.
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mistyisjafo A JAFO Production Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Orange, CA Posts: 567	I saw it too. It was so awesome. The best movie this summer by far. Course it's been a crappy summer but who cares! Batman Begins was fantastic. I mean I loved the original movie by Tim Burton and even #2 but this movie was so much better and darker. Did I mention that I liked it at all??!!! __________________
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Eliza Hodgkins 1812 Sputnik Sweetheart Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Long Beach Posts: 2,685	Not only do I think it's the best Batman movie ever made, I think it might be the best superhero movie ever made. I laughed, I cried, I cheered, I nearly wet myself with excitement. And all those Brits types doing the BEST U.S. accents I've ever heard?! Holy CRAP, Tom Wilkinson is amazing. Gary Oldman never went crazy once. He was just shy and sweet and tender hearted and good, and I totally love watching him evolve into the eventual Commissioner Gordon. Liam Neeson gave one of his best performances and was so effin' good locking. Cillian Murphy was a marvelous and terrifying Scarecrow, I thought. And I love how they did the effects for the gas. Christopher Nolan just gets is. I give him major, major kudos. Gotham City was beautifully done. Loved the Asian influence. Ah, me. I loved this movie. I might have to go see it again before it's out of the theaters. Maybe with my Dad. "And, from what I know of the comic books, they took some liberties with the story by combining the Scarecrow plot with the Ra's Al Ghul plot...and it was done masterfully." Ditto.
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scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	We actually had a babysitter tonight and went to see it. Simply remarkable. I agree with Eliza - could be the best super hero movie ever made. What was amazing to me was thay Batman became someone who was believable. Spiderman getting bit by a radioactive spider and mutating into Spiderman? Nah. Good movies, but nah. Superman the space alien? nah. But this - I could believe that this Batman was real. The set up for his evolution into the caped crusader was masterfully done. The flashback scenes combined with his training and mentoring, and his refusal to join the league of shadows involved excellent story telling and dialogue with superb acting all around. I am someone who knows nothing of Batman in the comics - so the plots intertwining various villians meant nothing to me and couldn't have ruined the movies. I was just glad this wasn't as stupid as any of the other Batman movies, as I really thought the others sucked.
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