The Gay Thread - Page 56

innerSpaceman · 08-06-2010, 07:21 AM

I wonder how much upper courts will be bound or influenced by Walker's finding that the claims were deserving of strict scrutiny, but didn't receive it - since they didn't even rise to the level of rational basis.

The Ninth Circuit is going to uphold this in a walk. (Well, ya know, a 2-year+ strolling walk). And like I said before, the pretzel twists needed for the Supremes to overturn it would be entertaining in their own right. (As would Washington going up in flames. Angry, queeny, flaming gay flames.)

Kevy Baby · 08-06-2010, 08:08 AM

The trend continues

Mexico High Court Upholds Gay Marriage Law

Disneyphile · 08-06-2010, 12:33 PM

I can't believe the comments I see online from some people. One idiot spouted that "voters rights" have just been taken away, and how we're losing our freedoms in this country, yet gays should not be allowed to marry, because they can't procreate "by design". And then also said how "liberals" aren't intelligent like he is, and how before long, we'll all be in "bondage" and enslaved to a "socialist society".

Anyone else see the blatant contradiction in that statement?

I've mostly been ignoring it, but it was his response to a No-H8 friend of mine on Facebook, so I had to go in and defend her. This was my response:

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I totally believe in a free country. I believe that people should stay the hell out of others' bedroom preferences, otherwise, no one is truly free.

In some states, they still have laws making oral sex illegal. Steve, if you live in one of those states, I really hope you're abiding by all the laws that the people set and not having a single blow job. Oh, and some states also require that sex be solely performed in the missionary style. So, I also hope you don't do anything "doggy style", because that's what other people have decided for you as well. If you want to dictate what people should do in their bedrooms, then you should be ready to accept the same. So, for you - no blow jobs or other positions besides missionary, and no, no, no sex unless you're trying to conceive, ok? Those laws are still on the books and have not been changed. So, to break them would make you a hypocrite and you seem far too smart for that.

However, thanks for mentioning bondage, because that is a favorite fetish in my heterosexual marriage. I'd suggest you try it sometime, but that would go against your "by design" belief, and since it is a free country, I wouldn't want to dictate what your beliefs should be. I do what I like in my bedroom and you do what you like in yours and we'll just agree to disagree and let everyone do the same, since it a free country and all.

Alex · 08-06-2010, 12:48 PM

Not that I disagree with the general sentiment but errors will become the point of rebuttal even if they don't change the general argument.

The premise of your second paragraph is false. There's no state in which anal or oral sex are illegal. There may be states where such statues remain on the books (but this is common across many areas later invalidated) but since Lawrence v. Texas in 2003 all such statutes regulating private consensual sexual acts have been unconstitutional.

I know of no state law ever existing that mandated only the missionary position for heterosexual partners. But I'd love to learn I'm wrong about that, though such laws would still have been negated by Lawrence.

Ghoulish Delight · 08-06-2010, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex

I know of no state law ever existing that mandated only the missionary position for heterosexual partners. But I'd love to learn I'm wrong about that, though such laws would still have been negated by Lawrence.

I believe she's referring to anti sodomy laws since by some definitions "sodomy" is "anything other than missionary sex".

Alex · 08-06-2010, 01:37 PM

Yeah, but I've never been able to actually track down an instance where statute defined sodomy in that way. I'd love to be wrong but the determination on some legal boards I found when last looking into the issue (it's come up before) was that it is kind of a legal urban legend or possibly a broad theoretical reading of a statute that wasn't ever actually implemented that way.

I'd love to be wrong though as stupid laws are funny. Broader point remains, even if that was ever the case, it is definitely now no longer the case.

And it suddenly occurs to me that I've been searching various phrases including the word sodomy from work. Probably nobody cares.

Disneyphile · 08-06-2010, 01:49 PM

It's ok. He only rebutted that I was "being rude", and that he doesn't feel that sexuality should be shoved in anyone's faces.

Of course, I responded that he needs to practice what he preaches then and never hold hands with his wife in public.

So, homophobia is obviously his REAL issue.

Kevy Baby · 08-06-2010, 01:51 PM

My wife and I do it doggy style: I sit up and beg while she rolls over and plays dead.

Gemini Cricket · 08-06-2010, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Kevy Baby

My wife and I do it doggy style: I sit up and beg while she rolls over and plays dead.

Ba-dum-ching!

Disneyphile · 08-06-2010, 02:15 PM

Sinners!

08-06-2010, 07:21 AM	#551
innerSpaceman Kink of Swank Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inner Space Posts: 13,075	I wonder how much upper courts will be bound or influenced by Walker's finding that the claims were deserving of strict scrutiny, but didn't receive it - since they didn't even rise to the level of rational basis. The Ninth Circuit is going to uphold this in a walk. (Well, ya know, a 2-year+ strolling walk). And like I said before, the pretzel twists needed for the Supremes to overturn it would be entertaining in their own right. (As would Washington going up in flames. Angry, queeny, flaming gay flames.)
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08-06-2010, 08:08 AM	#552
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08-06-2010, 12:48 PM	#554
Alex . Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,354	Not that I disagree with the general sentiment but errors will become the point of rebuttal even if they don't change the general argument. The premise of your second paragraph is false. There's no state in which anal or oral sex are illegal. There may be states where such statues remain on the books (but this is common across many areas later invalidated) but since Lawrence v. Texas in 2003 all such statutes regulating private consensual sexual acts have been unconstitutional. I know of no state law ever existing that mandated only the missionary position for heterosexual partners. But I'd love to learn I'm wrong about that, though such laws would still have been negated by Lawrence.
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08-06-2010, 01:37 PM	#556
Alex . Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,354	Yeah, but I've never been able to actually track down an instance where statute defined sodomy in that way. I'd love to be wrong but the determination on some legal boards I found when last looking into the issue (it's come up before) was that it is kind of a legal urban legend or possibly a broad theoretical reading of a statute that wasn't ever actually implemented that way. I'd love to be wrong though as stupid laws are funny. Broader point remains, even if that was ever the case, it is definitely now no longer the case. And it suddenly occurs to me that I've been searching various phrases including the word sodomy from work. Probably nobody cares.
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08-06-2010, 01:49 PM	#557
Disneyphile SQUIRREL! Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: On the curbside. Posts: 5,098	It's ok. He only rebutted that I was "being rude", and that he doesn't feel that sexuality should be shoved in anyone's faces. Of course, I responded that he needs to practice what he preaches then and never hold hands with his wife in public. So, homophobia is obviously his REAL issue.
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08-06-2010, 01:51 PM	#558
Kevy Baby Chowder Head Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Yes Posts: 18,500	My wife and I do it doggy style: I sit up and beg while she rolls over and plays dead. __________________ The thing about quotes on the internet is that you cannot verify their validity. - Abraham Lincoln
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08-06-2010, 02:15 PM	#560
Disneyphile SQUIRREL! Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: On the curbside. Posts: 5,098	Sinners!
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