The Gay Thread

[scaeagles]

Originally Posted by Alex

Well, scaeagles can be happy to know that (I presume) people will be saying nice things about Republicans in this thread.

I don't much care about saying nice things about the party of republicans. To me it is about certain ideologies. Just as a couple examples, I couldn't find any joy in defendinf McCain or voting vote him two years ago, and I shot of criticism after criticism of Bush for spending too much money.

I can understand how Chernabog and ISM feel from a political standpoint. You have someone who has claimed he will be a champion for your primary cause and fails time after time to do so, all the while counting on your vote because he knows you won't turn to the other party.

This is precisely what happened during the Bush years. This is what has led to the Tea Party movement, which isn't so much against democrats as it is against what the republican party has become.

[JWBear]

If the tea party isn't anti-Democrat, then why are they all running as Republicans?

[Chernabog]

Originally Posted by scaeagles

I can understand how Chernabog and ISM feel from a political standpoint. You have someone who has claimed he will be a champion for your primary cause and fails time after time to do so, all the while counting on your vote because he knows you won't turn to the other party.

You hit the nail on the head right there.

Obama says "I'll help you! I'll really really help you! Hope hope change change hope hope!"

You smile at Obama.

Then Obama kicks you in the balls.

While you're grimacing in pain, you ask "why did you kick me in the balls?"

Obama says "well, if you voted for the other guy, he would have kicked you in the balls three times!"

You ask, "But why did you have to kick me in the balls at all? You said you'd help me, and now my balls hurt real bad!"

Obama says, "really, until Congress outlaws ball kicking entirely, Jupiter aligns with Mars, and Jesus Christ returns to earth, I have to exercise my rights and my famed ability to rochambeau. But until then, would you like to buy me a cocktail for helping you?"

[JWBear]

And it's not just gays. All progressives are getting kicked.

[innerSpaceman]

Yep, he's driven the base away from the Democratic party or - at best - left them feeling so helpless to do anything but vote against Republicans and not FOR Democrats that they are demoralized and, despite their fears of worse to come, will stay away from the polls in droves. Brilliant strategy of re-election leadership.


Now the line coming from the White House, and I can hardly contain my laughter and disgust, is that Obama's justice department must appeal decisions he personally disagrees with, such as those on DOMA and DADT, lest a future Republican president fail to appeal future decisions ruling against, for example, the constitutionality of the health care bill.

OMG.


Either he's lying through his big teeth or he's the stupidest man alive. And, I'll give him one thing, he's the most intelligent president we've had in generations.

His idea of bowing down and granting ground to the Republicans in gestures to gain acquiescence on their parts was noble the first time, and perhaps the tenth. It has never worked, and if he doesn't know by now it never will - then I take back what I just wrote about his intelligence.


Nope, the thought that some future Republican president will refrain from appealing an anti-health bill ruling simply because he pursued the vitality of unconstitutional discriminatory laws with vigor against the mutually-hated queers of America is laughable in a madman sort of way.


So, yeah, I'm pretty mad.

[scaeagles]

Originally Posted by JWBear

If the tea party isn't anti-Democrat, then why are they all running as Republicans?

Because it is about getting rid of the republican establishment that they believe have moved away from fiscal conservatism. Of course in the general they will be anti democrat because they are running against democrats. The movement, however, isn't about getting rid of democrats. It's about getting rid of republicans they feel act too much like the opposition party.

[Alex]

Isn't it about both? They still seem to be quite vigorous in their campaigns against Democrats even once they've successfully guaranteed that the incumbent Republican will not be returning to office.

And if it is just about getting rid of RINOs why did the movement only swell to fruition at the moment that the RINOs no longer had the reins of power?

[scaeagles]

If the republican party was still fiscally conservative there would be no tea party. They would throw their full support behind the existing republican establishment. So that's why it was born. Of course there will be opposition to the democrats, but it wasn't born out of opposition to them - it was born out of opposition to the republican establishment.

[JWBear]

Ok... then why all the anti-Obama signs at tea party rallys?

[scaeagles]

That is a good point, no denying that.

However, I still maintain that if the Republicans were fiscally responsible there would be no tea party movement. The tea partiers would be at republican rallies holding up anti-Obama signs rather than tea party rallies doing the same.