Emma Watson + something in questionable taste

Ghoulish Delight · 12-01-2010, 08:21 AM

Now that I have Kevy's attentions, I've got some questions about printers and color profiles.

This may be too much of a consumer-level question, but hopefully you'll have some insight.

Here's the issue: I take a photo with my camera (same problems across multiple cameras, so which camera doesn't matter). I'm happy with how the photo looks on the camera's screen. I put it on my computer, and I'm happy with how it looks on the computer screen (color, saturation, brightness, etc.), without touching it. I print it. It looks like crap. Way too blue, over saturated. To get it to print decently, I've got to spend a lot of time tweaking the image. Mess with saturation, drop the cyan channel to nearly nothing, mess with brightness...until it looks like crap on the screen. Then it'll print well.

Most advice I've found so far talks about printing some test patterns, then adjusting the monitor to match what's printed. I have 2 issues with that. First, the color controls on my laptop monitor are nill, can't really do much. Second, even if I can get the monitor tweaked, it just means that everything's going to look like crap by default on the screen. Yeah, it'd take some of the guess work out of adjusting the photos before printing, but I'd rather not have to do that much adjustment to every single photo.

I gather that the solution has something to do with ICC profiles and the like. But I'm going around in circles, completely confused. Do I need to be messing with the color profile in the editing program (Photoshop Elemements)? For the printer? Both? How do I know what profile to use? What if I edit in Photoshop but print from another program? Our printer documentation mentions an XPS driver, will that help? Why can't I find an ICC profile for our printer model? Aaaaaaagh!!!!

Help much appreciated.

Oh, and here.

Moonliner · 12-01-2010, 08:26 AM

Easy!

Long hair. She looks better with long hair.

Err, that was the question right?

Capt Jack · 12-01-2010, 09:17 AM

dunno. kinda diggin the short hair thing on her. the longer hair is without a doubt great, but I like that shes trying out new looks. love to see her as a ginger..or pink.

edit: and I know jack sh!t about printers...but good luck with that

Kevy Baby · 12-01-2010, 09:20 AM

You've brought up one of the issues that printers fight on regular basis: "I want it to look like it looks on my screen." Here's that bad news: it ain't ever gonna happen.

The three key reasons are:

Your monitor is is Additive Color and print is Subtractive Color.
Your monitor has a much broader Color Gamut.
Your monitor uses RGB color whereas print is CMYK color.

So now that I told you why you can't match, I will tell you that you are heading in the right direction using color profiles. I have never messed with them on my system (the Mac uses them fairly automatically and seamlessly - not meant as a format war volley, just mentioning it), but I will see if I can find some more information for you (I am running late for work).

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Originally Posted by Moonliner

Long hair. She looks better with long hair.

Agreed!

Ghoulish Delight · 12-01-2010, 09:43 AM

I know it's never going to look the same, but it's so very very different right now, and consistently so. It seems like there should be an easy way to simply say, "Printer, I know you think that color information X in the image = ink mixture Y, but really it should be ink mixture Y - 80% cyan + some brightness. Every time. Remember that, please." Which is what I gather color profiles are, I just can't for the life of my figure out how to find/generate a color profile, or how to actually apply it so that I'm affecting JUST the printer and not the image file, or the screen, etc. It's driving me batty.

Alex · 12-01-2010, 09:57 AM

Is it just me or does she kind of look like Macaulay Culkin in a wig in that second picture?

Betty · 12-01-2010, 12:53 PM

I have issues like this with blue/purple on my monitor and when I send to the printer but I've been able to overcome those. I'm referring more to large blocks of color though and not photographs which I don't tend to have much of an issue with. That and an exact match is something I rarely if ever need.

Good luck!

Gemini Cricket · 12-01-2010, 02:08 PM

To me, the short hair makes her look like Mia Farrow in Rosemary's Baby. Creepy.

Cadaverous Pallor · 12-01-2010, 08:26 PM

My deal with the printer is this:

Take pictures with camera.
Put pictures on computer.
Print pictures.
Pictures come out all freaky.

If I have to mess with the color on every photo before I print, there's something wrong with the printer, right?

katiesue · 12-01-2010, 08:44 PM

I'd think it was the printer too. Ours come out fairly good - it's not exactly as on the screen but nothing to fuss with.

12-01-2010, 08:21 AM	#1
Ghoulish Delight I Floop the Pig Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Alternative Swankstyle Posts: 19,348	Emma Watson + something in questionable taste Now that I have Kevy's attentions, I've got some questions about printers and color profiles. This may be too much of a consumer-level question, but hopefully you'll have some insight. Here's the issue: I take a photo with my camera (same problems across multiple cameras, so which camera doesn't matter). I'm happy with how the photo looks on the camera's screen. I put it on my computer, and I'm happy with how it looks on the computer screen (color, saturation, brightness, etc.), without touching it. I print it. It looks like crap. Way too blue, over saturated. To get it to print decently, I've got to spend a lot of time tweaking the image. Mess with saturation, drop the cyan channel to nearly nothing, mess with brightness...until it looks like crap on the screen. Then it'll print well. Most advice I've found so far talks about printing some test patterns, then adjusting the monitor to match what's printed. I have 2 issues with that. First, the color controls on my laptop monitor are nill, can't really do much. Second, even if I can get the monitor tweaked, it just means that everything's going to look like crap by default on the screen. Yeah, it'd take some of the guess work out of adjusting the photos before printing, but I'd rather not have to do that much adjustment to every single photo. I gather that the solution has something to do with ICC profiles and the like. But I'm going around in circles, completely confused. Do I need to be messing with the color profile in the editing program (Photoshop Elemements)? For the printer? Both? How do I know what profile to use? What if I edit in Photoshop but print from another program? Our printer documentation mentions an XPS driver, will that help? Why can't I find an ICC profile for our printer model? Aaaaaaagh!!!! Help much appreciated. Oh, and here. __________________ 'He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me.' -TJ
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Moonliner 8/30/14 - Disneyland -10k or Bust. Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 9,022	Easy! Long hair. She looks better with long hair. Err, that was the question right? __________________ - Taking it one step at a time.
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Capt Jack check your head Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 4,174	dunno. kinda diggin the short hair thing on her. the longer hair is without a doubt great, but I like that shes trying out new looks. love to see her as a ginger..or pink. edit: and I know jack sh!t about printers...but good luck with that __________________ a clear conscience is a sure sign of a fuzzy memory
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12-01-2010, 09:43 AM	#5
Ghoulish Delight I Floop the Pig Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Alternative Swankstyle Posts: 19,348	I know it's never going to look the same, but it's so very very different right now, and consistently so. It seems like there should be an easy way to simply say, "Printer, I know you think that color information X in the image = ink mixture Y, but really it should be ink mixture Y - 80% cyan + some brightness. Every time. Remember that, please." Which is what I gather color profiles are, I just can't for the life of my figure out how to find/generate a color profile, or how to actually apply it so that I'm affecting JUST the printer and not the image file, or the screen, etc. It's driving me batty. __________________ 'He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me.' -TJ
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12-01-2010, 09:57 AM	#6
Alex . Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,354	Is it just me or does she kind of look like Macaulay Culkin in a wig in that second picture?
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12-01-2010, 12:53 PM	#7
Betty Kicking up my heels! Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: The Silver State Posts: 3,783	I have issues like this with blue/purple on my monitor and when I send to the printer but I've been able to overcome those. I'm referring more to large blocks of color though and not photographs which I don't tend to have much of an issue with. That and an exact match is something I rarely if ever need. Good luck! __________________ Nee Stell Thue
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12-01-2010, 02:08 PM	#8
Gemini Cricket ... Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 13,244	To me, the short hair makes her look like Mia Farrow in Rosemary's Baby. Creepy.
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Cadaverous Pallor ohhhh baby Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Parental Bliss Posts: 12,364	My deal with the printer is this: Take pictures with camera. Put pictures on computer. Print pictures. Pictures come out all freaky. If I have to mess with the color on every photo before I print, there's something wrong with the printer, right? __________________ The second star to the right shines in the night for you
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katiesue Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: San Diego Posts: 4,678	I'd think it was the printer too. Ours come out fairly good - it's not exactly as on the screen but nothing to fuss with. __________________ My life is so exciting I can hardly stand it.
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