The random political thoughts thread (Part Deux) - Page 635

Morrigoon · 04-27-2011, 06:10 PM

Based on the way he framed his speech, I think he did it in order to try to get a message across to people about what's really important right now, rather than what the media is focusing on. Of course, how much of that speech will get play on the evening news is anyone's guess. But I think he was trying to use the attention that the birth certificate gets, to get a chance to speak about the other stuff. He made a few remarks that support that, such as news stations not "breaking in" for other stories, and then his going on to talk about those other things anyway.

Ghoulish Delight · 04-27-2011, 08:29 PM

I think he could (and should) have given that speech without releasing the document.

BarTopDancer · 04-27-2011, 08:59 PM

I'm just glad the Daily Show and Colbert Report are not on vacation this week.

I don't think releasing it will shut the stupid up, it will just make them look even more absurd. How they don't realize that Hilary or McCain would have "gotten to the bottom of this" before the election is beyond my comprehension. And wasn't McCain's eligibility in question because he wasn't born on US soil?

I also think that if his name was Michael Weston or some other American sounding name this would have never been an issue.

Alex · 04-27-2011, 09:04 PM

Well, if it were Michael Weston he'd have to explain a hole lot of explosions in Miami; and a penchant for unattractively thin women.

BarTopDancer · 04-27-2011, 09:09 PM

with a disappearing Irish accent.

I probably should have said Michel Smith or something else "American" sounding.

alphabassettgrrl · 04-28-2011, 09:36 AM

One of the commentators on the radio show I listened to yesterday thought that Obama released the long-form certificate in order to undermine the birthers. They also noted the danged-if-you-do-danged-if-you-don't status of his papers. They blame him for not releasing the long form (which Hawai'i could well have refused to give him), and they blame him for releasing it.

My coworker found something last night that now the birthers want Hawai'i to prove it's a state. I'm alternately amused and seriously annoyed.

We also discussed what's next, and we think Rev. Wright and Bill Ayers will resurface. I hope we're wrong but they need something to complain about.

JWBear · 04-28-2011, 09:51 AM

They want Hawaii to prove it's a state?! Seriously?! WTF?!

BarTopDancer · 04-28-2011, 10:59 AM

They already get his panties in a twist that he goes ~~home~~ on vacation to HI all the time.

There's a great clip floating around (from the Daily Show) of Bill O'Riley trying to end the fringe lunacy. It's amusing.

JWBear · 04-28-2011, 11:30 AM

I was reading the comments (yeah... I know...) on a story about the long form release. One of the "birthers" wrote:

Quote:

If you are proficient with computers, pull up the birth certificate in Adobe and look at all the altercations.

innerSpaceman · 04-28-2011, 12:38 PM

A piece I read this morning hit the nail on the head, imo. It's a brilliant piece of Obama strategy. Further marginalizes the GOP by having such idiots continue to bray about this. His remarks were right on the money. Americans don't give a flying fvck about this issue, but want the government to do something about, oh, how about JOBS!?

Most of the country is already PISSED at the Republicans for advancing their absurd social agenda while doing nothing to create jobs, and for trying to solve the deficit problem on the backs of people dependent on Medicare while giving tax breaks to the ultra-rich. The mood in this country has swung very anti-GOP, and this birther issue is now all theirs to deal with, and Obama has washed his hands of it.

Most in the GOP know this full well. Boener and several other Congresspersons issued statements yesterday that they are satisfied with the president's citizenship credentials. They are not stupid, and would like this issue to go away.

But it won't. Something like 45% of Republicans believed the president is not an American. Don't know how many of those small and ignorant minds were changed yesterday, but that's the constituency they're stuck with. And they're stuck with the likes of the Donald as the front runner because you have to be a whack-job these days to win a Republican primary. Problem is, whack-jobs can't win general elections.

So the Pres was happy to hand off this problem to them, while chiding them in public for doing ZIP about issues Americans actually care about.

Obama is sometimes a brilliant politician. I wish he were a better president -- but he's better than most of them have been in my 50 years. Yesterday was a good day for him. Smart man.

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Morrigoon I throw stones at houses Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Location: Location Posts: 9,534	Based on the way he framed his speech, I think he did it in order to try to get a message across to people about what's really important right now, rather than what the media is focusing on. Of course, how much of that speech will get play on the evening news is anyone's guess. But I think he was trying to use the attention that the birth certificate gets, to get a chance to speak about the other stuff. He made a few remarks that support that, such as news stations not "breaking in" for other stories, and then his going on to talk about those other things anyway. __________________ http://bash.org/?top "It is useless for sheep to pass a resolution in favor of vegetarianism while wolves remain of a different opinion." -- William Randolph Inge
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Ghoulish Delight I Floop the Pig Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Alternative Swankstyle Posts: 19,348	I think he could (and should) have given that speech without releasing the document. __________________ 'He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me.' -TJ
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BarTopDancer Prepping... Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Here, there, everywhere Posts: 11,405	I'm just glad the Daily Show and Colbert Report are not on vacation this week. I don't think releasing it will shut the stupid up, it will just make them look even more absurd. How they don't realize that Hilary or McCain would have "gotten to the bottom of this" before the election is beyond my comprehension. And wasn't McCain's eligibility in question because he wasn't born on US soil? I also think that if his name was Michael Weston or some other American sounding name this would have never been an issue. __________________ Spork is the new MacGyver Postcards From My Edge
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alphabassettgrrl Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 4,978	One of the commentators on the radio show I listened to yesterday thought that Obama released the long-form certificate in order to undermine the birthers. They also noted the danged-if-you-do-danged-if-you-don't status of his papers. They blame him for not releasing the long form (which Hawai'i could well have refused to give him), and they blame him for releasing it. My coworker found something last night that now the birthers want Hawai'i to prove it's a state. I'm alternately amused and seriously annoyed. We also discussed what's next, and we think Rev. Wright and Bill Ayers will resurface. I hope we're wrong but they need something to complain about. __________________ Why cycling? Anything [sport] that had to do with a ball, I wasn't very good at. -Lance Armstrong
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BarTopDancer Prepping... Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Here, there, everywhere Posts: 11,405	They already get his panties in a twist that he goes ~~home~~ on vacation to HI all the time. There's a great clip floating around (from the Daily Show) of Bill O'Riley trying to end the fringe lunacy. It's amusing. __________________ Spork is the new MacGyver Postcards From My Edge
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innerSpaceman Kink of Swank Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inner Space Posts: 13,075	A piece I read this morning hit the nail on the head, imo. It's a brilliant piece of Obama strategy. Further marginalizes the GOP by having such idiots continue to bray about this. His remarks were right on the money. Americans don't give a flying fvck about this issue, but want the government to do something about, oh, how about JOBS!? Most of the country is already PISSED at the Republicans for advancing their absurd social agenda while doing nothing to create jobs, and for trying to solve the deficit problem on the backs of people dependent on Medicare while giving tax breaks to the ultra-rich. The mood in this country has swung very anti-GOP, and this birther issue is now all theirs to deal with, and Obama has washed his hands of it. Most in the GOP know this full well. Boener and several other Congresspersons issued statements yesterday that they are satisfied with the president's citizenship credentials. They are not stupid, and would like this issue to go away. But it won't. Something like 45% of Republicans believed the president is not an American. Don't know how many of those small and ignorant minds were changed yesterday, but that's the constituency they're stuck with. And they're stuck with the likes of the Donald as the front runner because you have to be a whack-job these days to win a Republican primary. Problem is, whack-jobs can't win general elections. So the Pres was happy to hand off this problem to them, while chiding them in public for doing ZIP about issues Americans actually care about. Obama is sometimes a brilliant politician. I wish he were a better president -- but he's better than most of them have been in my 50 years. Yesterday was a good day for him. Smart man.
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