Ding Dong bin Laden is gone

[JWBear]

Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight

Where did I say Bush gets ALL the credit?

I never said you did. I just don't think Bush deserves any of the credit if he wouldn't have gotten any of the blame if something went wrong.

Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight

I stand by what I said. Giving no credit to Bush is as inane as giving no credit to Obama.

And I stand by my opinion that it is inane to give Bush credit. We'll just have to agree to disagree.

[Ghoulish Delight]

Originally Posted by JWBear

I never said you did. I just don't think Bush deserves any of the credit if he wouldn't have gotten any of the blame if something went wrong.

If what went wrong had nothing to do with him, then he wouldn't deserve any of the blame. If everything happened exactly the same, but Obama, 5 minutes before the operation, called Bin Laden on his satellite phone, then Obama would deserve 100% of the blame. Period. You are assuming symmetry in an equation where there is no symmetry.

If it can be shown that none of the information that was used to find Bin Laden came as a result of Bush's policies and decisions, that everything happened only as a result of Obama's actions, then he would deserve no credit. But considering that knowledge of the compound by the CIA happened in 2005, and information on the courier brothers that lead to that knowledge came before that, I have a hard time understanding how Obama would deserve 100% of the credit.

Yes, if you narrow everything down to JUST the act of making the final decision, Obama deserves 100% of the credit for that. But that is an absurd view of the situation that would also remove all credit from anyone else involved. The intelligence community, the Navy Seals, etc. Once you start properly crediting everyone involved in the entire, 10-year long process, it's ridiculous to say that Bush cannot be credited with helping set things in motion.