Ding Dong bin Laden is gone - Page 10

BarTopDancer · 05-04-2011, 10:44 PM

...and he thinks you're fat.

Betty · 05-05-2011, 07:26 AM

I don't agree with terrorists hurting people.

Having said that - Why do they hate us so much? Is it because we've gone into their country over oil and they don't like that? I'm trying to see things from the other point of view. There were people that thought OBL was a hero. Why?

Ghoulish Delight · 05-05-2011, 08:13 AM

That's a question that takes 6000 years to answer. To reduce down to "because we want their oil" or "because our religions are different" or "because we love freedom" or "because we invaded their country" is meaningless. Because, objectively, there is NO explanation on the scale of the actions of our country and culture over the last 10, 15, 20, 50, 200 years that can possibly explain the deeply ingrained animosity that exists. It's born from millennia of history that is near impossible to untangle.

Snowflake · 05-05-2011, 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight

That's a question that takes 6000 years to answer. To reduce down to "because we want their oil" or "because our religions are different" or "because we love freedom" or "because we invaded their country" is meaningless. Because, objectively, there is NO explanation on the scale of the actions of our country and culture over the last 10, 15, 20, 50, 200 years that can possibly explain the deeply ingrained animosity that exists. It's born from millennia of history that is near impossible to untangle.

In a nutshell, we're fvcked, right?

JWBear · 05-05-2011, 08:29 AM

And it's not just religion. There's a lot of Arab/Mid-Eastern culture involved. You don't find it to the same level in the non Mid-Eastern Muslim countries.

BarTopDancer · 05-05-2011, 08:44 AM

Because we support Israel.

JWBear · 05-05-2011, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by BarTopDancer

Because we support Israel.

While that is certainly a factor, I goes way deeper than that.

Betty · 05-05-2011, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight

That's a question that takes 6000 years to answer. To reduce down to "because we want their oil" or "because our religions are different" or "because we love freedom" or "because we invaded their country" is meaningless. Because, objectively, there is NO explanation on the scale of the actions of our country and culture over the last 10, 15, 20, 50, 200 years that can possibly explain the deeply ingrained animosity that exists. It's born from millennia of history that is near impossible to untangle.

So they hated us 200 years ago? and 100 years ago? and 30 years ago - for the same reason they hate us today? Because we weren't involved in oil there 150 years ago? Right? I understand that it's involved many issues and it's not a simple thing... it just seems like there should be a way to stay the eff out of each others way and live our lives. Don't go poking things with a stick and all. Now that he's dead, we can leave, right?

katiesue · 05-05-2011, 10:38 AM

This book has a lot of interesting information about the forming of the states in the Middle East and how the lines were basically drawn in the sand separating tribes and throwing together age old enemies.

There are a billion factors that go into why they dislike "us" and some have evolved over time and some are still the same.

alphabassettgrrl · 05-06-2011, 09:06 AM

I think part of it is because some of the people believe that all people must be converted to Islam. That no infidels must be allowed. Who are they to enforce orthodoxy? But they do somehow feel it is their duty.

I think some of it is born of insecurity- if there are other choices for religions, they can't feel as secure in their choice. If there is only one, they know they're doing it right. I think a lot of things boil down this way- that people don't want to have to make a choice, because they might make the "wrong" choice.

I think some of it is that Western civilizations have a lot of temptation, for people who are forbidden alcohol, the freedom of women, etc. I'm wondering if this taps into the dissatisfaction of some people with their religion- they follow it, but they don't really want to. In an area where there is no other choice, the path is clear. But once you know other things are possible.... and you want them...

And the people don't want to recognize the dissatisfaction. So you wipe out the temptation, and supposedly your people will be happy again. Doesn't work that way, but I think that's the plan.

Other factors tie into why they hate us.

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alphabassettgrrl Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 4,978	I think part of it is because some of the people believe that all people must be converted to Islam. That no infidels must be allowed. Who are they to enforce orthodoxy? But they do somehow feel it is their duty. I think some of it is born of insecurity- if there are other choices for religions, they can't feel as secure in their choice. If there is only one, they know they're doing it right. I think a lot of things boil down this way- that people don't want to have to make a choice, because they might make the "wrong" choice. I think some of it is that Western civilizations have a lot of temptation, for people who are forbidden alcohol, the freedom of women, etc. I'm wondering if this taps into the dissatisfaction of some people with their religion- they follow it, but they don't really want to. In an area where there is no other choice, the path is clear. But once you know other things are possible.... and you want them... And the people don't want to recognize the dissatisfaction. So you wipe out the temptation, and supposedly your people will be happy again. Doesn't work that way, but I think that's the plan. Other factors tie into why they hate us. __________________ Why cycling? Anything [sport] that had to do with a ball, I wasn't very good at. -Lance Armstrong
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