The random political thoughts thread (Part Deux) - Page 643

Ghoulish Delight · 06-21-2011, 10:46 AM

I don't find him anything like McCain, from what I've read. McCain is "centrist" in a "I'll say anything to please whomever I'm talking to and change in the breeze" kinda way. Huntsman seems to be centrist in a "I believe what I believe and don't give a rat's ass which party's platform that belief might fall under" kinda way.

scaeagles · 06-21-2011, 11:08 AM

I agree that character wise they are quite different, but it is very early. In the same way that McCain turned right to get the base, Huntsman will have to do the same thing. i just don't see the right falling for it again like they did with McCain.

And my brief fascination with Herman Caen is over. Don't think he's the guy. Right now I'm hoping Rick Perry gets in.

flippyshark · 06-21-2011, 11:36 AM

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Right now I'm hoping Rick Perry gets in.

Boy, that'd liven things up around this thread!

Mind you, Perry's already been linked to John Hagee, and that did McCain a bit of hurt last time around.

Alex · 06-21-2011, 12:05 PM

If I thought such a thing had a chance in hell of passing his support for a Right to Life constitutional amendment making abortion illegal would be a deal breaker. But if elected president I do think he'd likely continue (or do nothing to get int he way of others) the chipping away at abortion access.

Though his self reversal on the individual mandate does suggest that he has the same chance as McCain: conform to the talking points and move on.

But he is certainly more palatable to me so far than the other major Republican candidate at the moment. But it will be interesting to see how his positions withstand the need to go much further right to get anywhere.

Ghoulish Delight · 06-21-2011, 02:24 PM

Alex, do you mean Huntsman or Perry?

Ghoulish Delight · 06-21-2011, 02:27 PM

Right now, the primary thing that has me liking Huntsman is this.

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Of course we’ll have our disagreements. That’s what campaigns are all about.

But I want you to know that I respect my fellow Republican candidates.

And I respect the President of the United States.

He and I have a difference of opinion on how to help a country we both love.

But the question each of us wants the voters to answer is who will be the better President, not who’s the better American.

DreadPirateRoberts · 06-21-2011, 02:35 PM

When I hear Huntsman, I always think of this:

Strangler Lewis · 06-21-2011, 04:23 PM

I think Huckabee played good cop for a while, too.

If Huntsman gets the nomination, how soon before Obama is referred to as President Footman?

Ghoulish Delight · 06-21-2011, 04:36 PM

The difference being that Huntsman has a record of actually acting in accordance with that statement, not just paying it lip service.

Not that the extreme and unique pressures on a Presidential candidate can't change that. And really, he's never going to win the nomination by saying 'I respect Obama', so I'm sure if he does become the nominee he'll have spent all that good will by the time it gets to that point. But, individual issues aside, if he doesn't sell out on the principles he's made it this far with, I'd be happy to see him run. Might even throw an open primary vote his way.

Alex · 06-21-2011, 04:47 PM

I was talking about Huntsman. I've not yet seen much good to say about Perry (but admittedly I haven't looked at him particularly closely).

06-21-2011, 10:46 AM	#6421
Ghoulish Delight I Floop the Pig Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Alternative Swankstyle Posts: 19,348	I don't find him anything like McCain, from what I've read. McCain is "centrist" in a "I'll say anything to please whomever I'm talking to and change in the breeze" kinda way. Huntsman seems to be centrist in a "I believe what I believe and don't give a rat's ass which party's platform that belief might fall under" kinda way. __________________ 'He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me.' -TJ
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06-21-2011, 11:08 AM	#6422
scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	I agree that character wise they are quite different, but it is very early. In the same way that McCain turned right to get the base, Huntsman will have to do the same thing. i just don't see the right falling for it again like they did with McCain. And my brief fascination with Herman Caen is over. Don't think he's the guy. Right now I'm hoping Rick Perry gets in.
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06-21-2011, 12:05 PM	#6424
Alex . Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,354	If I thought such a thing had a chance in hell of passing his support for a Right to Life constitutional amendment making abortion illegal would be a deal breaker. But if elected president I do think he'd likely continue (or do nothing to get int he way of others) the chipping away at abortion access. Though his self reversal on the individual mandate does suggest that he has the same chance as McCain: conform to the talking points and move on. But he is certainly more palatable to me so far than the other major Republican candidate at the moment. But it will be interesting to see how his positions withstand the need to go much further right to get anywhere.
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06-21-2011, 02:24 PM	#6425
Ghoulish Delight I Floop the Pig Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Alternative Swankstyle Posts: 19,348	Alex, do you mean Huntsman or Perry? __________________ 'He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me.' -TJ
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DreadPirateRoberts Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 2,483	When I hear Huntsman, I always think of this:
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Strangler Lewis Doing The Job Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: In a state Posts: 3,956	I think Huckabee played good cop for a while, too. If Huntsman gets the nomination, how soon before Obama is referred to as President Footman? __________________ Live now-pay later. Diner's Club!
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06-21-2011, 04:36 PM	#6429
Ghoulish Delight I Floop the Pig Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Alternative Swankstyle Posts: 19,348	The difference being that Huntsman has a record of actually acting in accordance with that statement, not just paying it lip service. Not that the extreme and unique pressures on a Presidential candidate can't change that. And really, he's never going to win the nomination by saying 'I respect Obama', so I'm sure if he does become the nominee he'll have spent all that good will by the time it gets to that point. But, individual issues aside, if he doesn't sell out on the principles he's made it this far with, I'd be happy to see him run. Might even throw an open primary vote his way. __________________ 'He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me.' -TJ
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06-21-2011, 04:47 PM	#6430
Alex . Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,354	I was talking about Huntsman. I've not yet seen much good to say about Perry (but admittedly I haven't looked at him particularly closely).
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