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JWBear · 08-10-2011, 08:58 AM

I got so cold last night that we almost turned the heat on; and today I hit some rain on the way to work - in August....

But global climate change is a myth. Not happening. Nope...

Ghoulish Delight · 08-10-2011, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by JWBear

I got so cold last night that we almost turned the heat on; and today I hit some rain on the way to work - in August....

But global climate change is a myth. Not happening. Nope...

The record low temperature in Long Beach for this time of year happened in 1962.

Saying that one cool day in August is evidence of global climate change is like saying that getting two heads in a row while flipping a coin is evidence that there's a grand conspiracy by the US mint to make coins that favor landing on heads. By your logic, had this been a perfectly average summer, every single day, that would be enough to disprove global climate change.

It isn't.

innerSpaceman · 08-10-2011, 09:34 AM

It's anecdotal for sure, but - at least here in West L.A., having a week of June Gloom in August is not the normal pattern that existed for the first 25 years I lived here. Oh, and that June Gloom that was around in June for those 25 years? Gone.

The local climate IS changing - I'm not saying that's due to Global Climate Change - but since all sorts of local climate changes are predicted by the world's best climate scientists, why should I presume the obvious local changes are not part of that?

Alex · 08-10-2011, 10:08 AM

It was 3 degrees colder last year on the same date, according to Weather Underground.

It was only 3 degrees under the low for the date over the last 69 years (as far back as their almanac goes).

It's hard to see what trend in climate change last night's temperature would support (Long Beach low temperatures for August 10 since 1943):

Ghoulish Delight · 08-10-2011, 10:39 AM

Alex, where do you get your historical weather data? I can never find a good source.

Alex · 08-10-2011, 10:44 AM

At Weather Underground look up the location you want. Here's Long Beach:

http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=long+beach%2C+ca

Scroll about halfway down and you'll fine a History & Almanac section (right under the radar image). Pick a date and play from there. Unfortunatley doesn't really have tools for comparing over time (I took ten minutes and hit the individual searches for each August 10 since '43). The history page also lists the sunrise, sunset, and moon phase for the date as well.

Ghoulish Delight · 08-10-2011, 10:50 AM

Okay. I've used Weather Underground before, but like you said it lacks a lot of filtering/searching/sorting options that would make things easier.

Ghoulish Delight · 08-10-2011, 11:03 AM

(I'm at a standstill at work today until someone else fixes an issue)

Putting aside the larger point that 25 years worth of local weather data is not a basis for conclusions about climate change, let's look at your 25 year claim. Culver city, the last 25 years, August 10 highs and lows.

culver city.jpg

If there's ANY trend to be gleaned from that, it's that any cooling you may perceive seems to be a correction back towards the mean after a slight rise.

Of course, none of this proves there ISN'T climate change happening. But it certainly doesn't prove there IS.

Trying to shove local weather data in the face of climate change deniers is pointless, because they can just as easily shove opposing local weather date right back at you because local weather data is NOT the data that indicates anything either way when talking climate change.

innerSpaceman · 08-10-2011, 11:56 AM

Well, I'm not really talking about lower temperatures. Even during the sunny days here, the temperatures have SEEMED TO ME lower in July and August than they did during high summer of the 20th Century years. While gloomy skies do equal lower temperatures, it's the gloom that's more noticeably odd for August, not merely the lower temperatures that have characterized this entire summer here.

All anecdotal. I don't really care if this or that particular symptom is a one of man-made global warming, natural climate changes, or faulty human perception. I believe that climate change is happening because science says it is. And I put any local changes into the "maybe" category.

Whichever, I don't like anything that makes other places more crappy to live and Southern California more wonderful. Lower summer temperatures here and drought/heat waves everywhere else does just that, and we don't need 70 million more people moving here in the next 10 years over the 475 million already projected.*

* completely made-up, hyperbolic numbers.

JWBear · 08-10-2011, 12:26 PM

It's amazing... Someone could post something like "the Earth is larger than the Moon", and certain persons here would rush right in to tell them they are wrong - with charts and links and fancy doodles. You can stop waiving your dicks around guys; I'm not competeing with you for the title of "Smartest, Hippest, Most manly Man of LoT".

And people wonder why participation on this board is dropping...

08-10-2011, 08:58 AM	#751
JWBear Worn Romantic Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Long Beach California Posts: 8,435	I got so cold last night that we almost turned the heat on; and today I hit some rain on the way to work - in August.... But global climate change is a myth. Not happening. Nope... __________________ Unrestrained frivolity will lead to the downfall of modern society.
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08-10-2011, 09:34 AM	#753
innerSpaceman Kink of Swank Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inner Space Posts: 13,075	It's anecdotal for sure, but - at least here in West L.A., having a week of June Gloom in August is not the normal pattern that existed for the first 25 years I lived here. Oh, and that June Gloom that was around in June for those 25 years? Gone. The local climate IS changing - I'm not saying that's due to Global Climate Change - but since all sorts of local climate changes are predicted by the world's best climate scientists, why should I presume the obvious local changes are not part of that?
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08-10-2011, 10:08 AM	#754
Alex . Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,354	It was 3 degrees colder last year on the same date, according to Weather Underground. It was only 3 degrees under the low for the date over the last 69 years (as far back as their almanac goes). It's hard to see what trend in climate change last night's temperature would support (Long Beach low temperatures for August 10 since 1943):
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08-10-2011, 10:39 AM	#755
Ghoulish Delight I Floop the Pig Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Alternative Swankstyle Posts: 19,348	Alex, where do you get your historical weather data? I can never find a good source. __________________ 'He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me.' -TJ
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08-10-2011, 10:44 AM	#756
Alex . Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,354	At Weather Underground look up the location you want. Here's Long Beach: http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=long+beach%2C+ca Scroll about halfway down and you'll fine a History & Almanac section (right under the radar image). Pick a date and play from there. Unfortunatley doesn't really have tools for comparing over time (I took ten minutes and hit the individual searches for each August 10 since '43). The history page also lists the sunrise, sunset, and moon phase for the date as well.
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08-10-2011, 10:50 AM	#757
Ghoulish Delight I Floop the Pig Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Alternative Swankstyle Posts: 19,348	Okay. I've used Weather Underground before, but like you said it lacks a lot of filtering/searching/sorting options that would make things easier. __________________ 'He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me.' -TJ
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08-10-2011, 11:03 AM	#758
Ghoulish Delight I Floop the Pig Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Alternative Swankstyle Posts: 19,348	(I'm at a standstill at work today until someone else fixes an issue) Putting aside the larger point that 25 years worth of local weather data is not a basis for conclusions about climate change, let's look at your 25 year claim. Culver city, the last 25 years, August 10 highs and lows. culver city.jpg If there's ANY trend to be gleaned from that, it's that any cooling you may perceive seems to be a correction back towards the mean after a slight rise. Of course, none of this proves there ISN'T climate change happening. But it certainly doesn't prove there IS. Trying to shove local weather data in the face of climate change deniers is pointless, because they can just as easily shove opposing local weather date right back at you because local weather data is NOT the data that indicates anything either way when talking climate change. __________________ 'He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me.' -TJ
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08-10-2011, 11:56 AM	#759
innerSpaceman Kink of Swank Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inner Space Posts: 13,075	Well, I'm not really talking about lower temperatures. Even during the sunny days here, the temperatures have SEEMED TO ME lower in July and August than they did during high summer of the 20th Century years. While gloomy skies do equal lower temperatures, it's the gloom that's more noticeably odd for August, not merely the lower temperatures that have characterized this entire summer here. All anecdotal. I don't really care if this or that particular symptom is a one of man-made global warming, natural climate changes, or faulty human perception. I believe that climate change is happening because science says it is. And I put any local changes into the "maybe" category. Whichever, I don't like anything that makes other places more crappy to live and Southern California more wonderful. Lower summer temperatures here and drought/heat waves everywhere else does just that, and we don't need 70 million more people moving here in the next 10 years over the 475 million already projected.* * completely made-up, hyperbolic numbers.
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08-10-2011, 12:26 PM	#760
JWBear Worn Romantic Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Long Beach California Posts: 8,435	It's amazing... Someone could post something like "the Earth is larger than the Moon", and certain persons here would rush right in to tell them they are wrong - with charts and links and fancy doodles. You can stop waiving your dicks around guys; I'm not competeing with you for the title of "Smartest, Hippest, Most manly Man of LoT". And people wonder why participation on this board is dropping... __________________ Unrestrained frivolity will lead to the downfall of modern society.
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