Star Wars - with spoilers

€uroMeinke · 12-20-2015, 12:01 PM

I know nobody posts here anymore, but the current Facebook Message thread seems unwieldy to me for a conversation that really belongs in an old school message board. So let the comments ( or crickets) begin.

SzczerbiakManiac · 12-20-2015, 04:05 PM

On a whole, I loved it and will go see it again.

The plot was kind of a rehash of A New Hope and that was unfortunate, but not a deal-breaker for me.

I'm bummed Had died, but not at all surprised. Frankly, I'm amazed Harrison Ford agreed to make one more SW movie, so I'm thankful we got him in this one.

Moonliner · 12-20-2015, 07:42 PM

Back from viewing #4, Here are my thoughts:

Ray was not learning the ways of the force.
She was REMEMBERING them.

Ray was a youngling being trained at Luke's academy when Kylo went to the dark side. Luke managed to save her and hid her away on a desert planet because well that's what he would do.

Why would he hide her?

Ray is Han and Leia's daughter, Ben's younger sister. Luke told Han and Leia that Ray died with everyone else because he knew Kylo would hunt Ray down to either kill or turn her. Luke knows Kylo can Force read minds and could not risk Kylo learning about Ray still being alive as Vader learned about Leia from him. So he hid her, from Leia and Han.

After Han's death, We see Leia goes to comfort Ray not Chewie despite not really knowing Ray at all. Leia is staring to sense the truth. As Episode VII ends we have Ray as Captain of the Falcon with Chewie at her side. How much more of a hint could there be?

€uroMeinke · 12-20-2015, 08:13 PM

I've started rewatching the series - Episode IV last night, catching all the rhyming scenes. This was also the first time I've seen the "enhancements" - wow those are awful. But what struck me at the ending is everybody gets a medal except the Wookie, if I were Chewie, I'd be pissed.

Moonliner · 12-20-2015, 08:20 PM

Variation #1 on my Ray is a Solo theory:

Why would Luke leave little Ray in the hands of a scumbag like Unkar Plutt?

A Junk dealer on a desert planet.

Wait, a Junk dealer on a desert planet.... That sounds a lot like Watto and Anakin. Is someone trying to grow themselves a new Anakin/Vader by exposing Ray to the same environment? Did Kylo take her from Luke's academy and drop her with Plutt? Planting the seed of abandonment with a story of a family that's never coming for her?

Is that why Kylo goes all force choking when he learns "A girl" helped BB-8 escape the planet? Why else would he know/care that some random girl was involved?

RStar · 12-20-2015, 11:01 PM

I like the Star Wars movies. But I just can't get into it that deep because I just can't keep track of those billions of bits of information. My brain just isn't wired for it. I can enjoy it for the main plot points and action, acting and special effects, and the pageantry of it all. But beyond that, I'm lost....

Alex · 12-22-2015, 05:38 PM

I liked it while watching it. But it was a horribly stupid movie both story wise and basic world building wise and is not aging well in my memory.

So I am trying very hard, and mostly failing, to avoid thinking about it so that I can continue having enjoyed it.

But fun to watch in the moment.

Ghoulish Delight · 12-22-2015, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex

I liked it while watching it. But it was a horribly stupid movie both story wise and basic world building wise and is not aging well in my memory.

Which makes it a perfect Star Wars movie.

Alex · 12-22-2015, 06:00 PM

Which makes it something the hagiographic appreciation of which I just don't understand.

I can understand why I liked it when I was 12. Not sure why 35 year olds like it so much (I understand liking stupid stuff, I love Jackie Chan movies; I just don't claim they're good movies). As sacrilege as it may be to say, The Force Awakens falls pretty squarely into the same category for me as the last Fast and the Furious movie. Surprisingly fun to watch, almost painfully stupid if you give it more than 2 seconds thought.

So worth seeing, not worth seeing a second time.

Alex · 12-22-2015, 06:14 PM

That said, I am very interested in the next one.

A) If it follows the template of Empire as faithfully as this one did Star Wars then it means it'll be the actual good movie in the trilogy and

B) Rian Johnson is a much more interesting director (I love Brick, The Brothers Bloom was a very fun movie that nobody saw, and Looper was way better than it should have been) to me than J.J. Abrams.

12-20-2015, 12:01 PM	#1
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SzczerbiakManiac "ZER-bee-ak" Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 4,409	On a whole, I loved it and will go see it again. The plot was kind of a rehash of A New Hope and that was unfortunate, but not a deal-breaker for me. I'm bummed Had died, but not at all surprised. Frankly, I'm amazed Harrison Ford agreed to make one more SW movie, so I'm thankful we got him in this one. __________________
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12-20-2015, 07:42 PM	#3
Moonliner 8/30/14 - Disneyland -10k or Bust. Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 9,022	Back from viewing #4, Here are my thoughts: Ray was not learning the ways of the force. She was REMEMBERING them. Ray was a youngling being trained at Luke's academy when Kylo went to the dark side. Luke managed to save her and hid her away on a desert planet because well that's what he would do. Why would he hide her? Ray is Han and Leia's daughter, Ben's younger sister. Luke told Han and Leia that Ray died with everyone else because he knew Kylo would hunt Ray down to either kill or turn her. Luke knows Kylo can Force read minds and could not risk Kylo learning about Ray still being alive as Vader learned about Leia from him. So he hid her, from Leia and Han. After Han's death, We see Leia goes to comfort Ray not Chewie despite not really knowing Ray at all. Leia is staring to sense the truth. As Episode VII ends we have Ray as Captain of the Falcon with Chewie at her side. How much more of a hint could there be? __________________ - Taking it one step at a time.
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12-20-2015, 08:13 PM	#4
€uroMeinke L'Hédoniste Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: A.S.C.O.T. Posts: 8,671	I've started rewatching the series - Episode IV last night, catching all the rhyming scenes. This was also the first time I've seen the "enhancements" - wow those are awful. But what struck me at the ending is everybody gets a medal except the Wookie, if I were Chewie, I'd be pissed. __________________ I would believe only in a God that knows how to Dance. Friedrich Nietzsche
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12-20-2015, 08:20 PM	#5
Moonliner 8/30/14 - Disneyland -10k or Bust. Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 9,022	Variation #1 on my Ray is a Solo theory: Why would Luke leave little Ray in the hands of a scumbag like Unkar Plutt? A Junk dealer on a desert planet. Wait, a Junk dealer on a desert planet.... That sounds a lot like Watto and Anakin. Is someone trying to grow themselves a new Anakin/Vader by exposing Ray to the same environment? Did Kylo take her from Luke's academy and drop her with Plutt? Planting the seed of abandonment with a story of a family that's never coming for her? Is that why Kylo goes all force choking when he learns "A girl" helped BB-8 escape the planet? Why else would he know/care that some random girl was involved? __________________ - Taking it one step at a time.
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12-20-2015, 11:01 PM	#6
RStar Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Me & Manyard hangin out! Posts: 5,433	I like the Star Wars movies. But I just can't get into it that deep because I just can't keep track of those billions of bits of information. My brain just isn't wired for it. I can enjoy it for the main plot points and action, acting and special effects, and the pageantry of it all. But beyond that, I'm lost.... __________________ Meddle not in the affairs of Dragons, for you are crunchy and good with ketchup! www.StarTownGifts.com
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12-22-2015, 05:38 PM	#7
Alex . Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,354	I liked it while watching it. But it was a horribly stupid movie both story wise and basic world building wise and is not aging well in my memory. So I am trying very hard, and mostly failing, to avoid thinking about it so that I can continue having enjoyed it. But fun to watch in the moment.
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12-22-2015, 06:00 PM	#9
Alex . Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,354	Which makes it something the hagiographic appreciation of which I just don't understand. I can understand why I liked it when I was 12. Not sure why 35 year olds like it so much (I understand liking stupid stuff, I love Jackie Chan movies; I just don't claim they're good movies). As sacrilege as it may be to say, The Force Awakens falls pretty squarely into the same category for me as the last Fast and the Furious movie. Surprisingly fun to watch, almost painfully stupid if you give it more than 2 seconds thought. So worth seeing, not worth seeing a second time.
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12-22-2015, 06:14 PM	#10
Alex . Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,354	That said, I am very interested in the next one. A) If it follows the template of Empire as faithfully as this one did Star Wars then it means it'll be the actual good movie in the trilogy and B) Rian Johnson is a much more interesting director (I love Brick, The Brothers Bloom was a very fun movie that nobody saw, and Looper was way better than it should have been) to me than J.J. Abrams.
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