California Approves Gay Marriage

Kevy Baby · 09-08-2005, 06:40 PM

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Sounds to me like Ah'nold doesn't want to take the backlash of not signing this, and instead blaming a veto on the "will of the people" based on a past initiative. Come on Ah'nold, if your against it, stand up and say your against it like a man.... stop being a girly man and passing the buck.

This measure was not about Gay Rights. It was about a shady back-room move by the Dems to make the Republican Governor look bad. No matter which way he went, he was screwed: if he vetos (as he did) then we get the backlash we have seen. If he approves, he gets condemned for ignoring the vote of the people.

Cadaverous Pallor · 09-08-2005, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Kevy Baby

This measure was not about Gay Rights. It was about a shady back-room move by the Dems to make the Republican Governor look bad. No matter which way he went, he was screwed: if he vetos (as he did) then we get the backlash we have seen. If he approves, he gets condemned for ignoring the vote of the people.

Let me get this straight - you're claiming that the sole reason this bill exists is to make Arnold look bad? That seems ridiculous to me.

When it comes to freedoms I do not trust the voters. The government has had to force the issue before. Citizens in the south never would have let blacks into the white schools if the federal government hadn't forced them into it in the 60's.

Kevy Baby · 09-09-2005, 10:07 PM

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Let me get this straight - you're claiming that the sole reason this bill exists is to make Arnold look bad? That seems ridiculous to me.

Well, maybe only 50%.

The other 50% was the Dems trying to look good to their liberal constituancy without having to take much heat because they knew it would get vetoed.

I'm not even bringing this up "in favor of the Republicans." Has nothing to do with that. The Repubs are fully capable and willing to pull the same kind of shenanigans. Did anybody believe that this last minute, 11th-hour Hail-Mary would pass? I certainly didn't (although I would have loved it if it did!).

It was petty politics, pure and simple.

Cadaverous Pallor · 09-10-2005, 05:47 PM

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Did anybody believe that this last minute, 11th-hour Hail-Mary would pass? I certainly didn't (although I would have loved it if it did!).

It did pass. Arnold will veto it. One person standing in the way. Sigh.

Name · 09-08-2005, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Kevy Baby

This measure was not about Gay Rights. It was about a shady back-room move by the Dems to make the Republican Governor look bad. No matter which way he went, he was screwed: if he vetos (as he did) then we get the backlash we have seen. If he approves, he gets condemned for ignoring the vote of the people.

Why of course it was.

I'm still looking for that tin foil hat smiley.

[rant]I don't understand why EVERYTHING has to be a big frickin issue, dems and repubs, back room shenanigans, backstabbing, bickering, blaming, finger pointing, bah, sickening.

ENOUGH!!
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We now return you to your regularly scheduled programing.

Kevy Baby · 09-09-2005, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Name

[rant]I don't understand why EVERYTHING has to be a big frickin issue, dems and repubs, back room shenanigans, backstabbing, bickering, blaming, finger pointing, bah, sickening.

ENOUGH!!
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Believe it or not, I agree with you 100%. Sadly, much of politics right now is about all this BS. Sad but true (IMHO).