Katrina Response Mismanagement - Page 11

scaeagles · 09-08-2005, 02:25 PM

Very interesting quote from what Nephy posted -

"...what they have said consistently is, and what they told the Red Cross, we don't want you to come in there, because we have evacuees that we want to get out. And if you come in, they're more likely to stay. So I want your listeners to follow me here. At the very moment that Ray Nagin, the Mayor of New Orleans was screaming where's the food, where's the water, it was over the overpass, and state officials were saying you can't come in."

Hmmm.....

tracilicious · 09-08-2005, 02:26 PM

Did anyone catch the Daily Show last night? I can always count on Jon Stewart to be there for me with humorous roasting of people who deserve it. In his segment, "Meet the F*ckers" he pointed out that the people who are always chanting that people just want to play the "blame game" are always the ones to blame. I wish I could marry that man.

tracilicious · 09-08-2005, 02:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Not Afraid

Who cares who failed. A failure of this magnitude is a failure to ALL of us. Everyone failed.

Actually, I can say with complete certainty that in the case of the Katrina mismanagement that I didn't fail at all. As a matter of fact, I had nothing to do with it. If I was one of the people stuck without food or water in the convention center than you bet I would care who failed. Or one of the people who lost a family member because of government screw ups. Those people deserve an answer.

tracilicious · 09-08-2005, 02:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Moonliner

After watching the news today I have to say it's getting harder by the day to feel a lot of sympathy for some of these "victims".

One lady had the chance to talk with the head of FEMA, her question?

"Our house has collapsed, how soon are YOU going to rebuild it for me. Oh and my 8-Year old daughter is missing"

It's not the governments job to rebuild your house, it's yours. FEMA provides LOANS not gimmies. Also don't you think finding your daughter should be more of a priority than your house for right now?

Really? You are really finding it hard to feel sympathy for a woman who lost not only her home but also her daughter? I can't imagine the hell that my life would have to be in order to feel nothing for that kind of loss.

Morrigoon · 09-08-2005, 02:36 PM

scaeagles: I can understand the line of thinking there, but again we have a major failure, not just of communication, but also this: if they wanted them to leave, they should have made leaving immediately possible.

Under their arguments, one would have to believe that someone let people die to set an example - in which case I think some arrests need to be made.

Cadaverous Pallor · 09-08-2005, 08:55 PM

Five people have died of cholera. I heard that they had open wounds in their legs and had walked through the nasty water.

I heard an interview today on the radio with people that are still sticking it out in NO. I found it very illuminating regarding why some people won't leave.

The men the reporter talked to boasted about how great their city was, because "you can eat on a dollar a day - 5 dollars will feed you for a week in NO." These people were poor and were used to squeezing the most out of what they had. Their living conditions weren't great to begin with. As a result, these people a) believe that they can overcome anything and b) feel such a hardcore connection with their city that they don't even contemplate leaving. Seeing what's happened to those that left probably isn't helping either.

One of the guys they talked to was sweeping away junk from a storm drain so that the water could go down easily as it was being pumped out. He was standing in the water and the reporter pointed out to him, obvious concern in her voice, that he had a bandaid on his foot. He said "yes, I know about the bacteria, I scrub my feet with hydrogen peroxide every time I get out of this water." He spoke like an intelligent human being...it was horrible to listen to, thinking that this man could very likely die.

In an earlier report I heard another reporter regarding the holdouts. He said he went into a home that was dank and filled with the stench of rot and found an old woman who had been to the horror of the Superdome...and decided she'd rather stay home than be there. The in-studio reporter asked him what these people were planning for the long term - can they eat MREs for 3 months? - and he said "these people just aren't thinking farther ahead than one day at a time."

What has happened there is every bit as horrible as anything we can imagine. These people are deer in headlights. I'm sure if you compared this to the Holocaust or Hiroshima people would be horribly offended that I'd speak this way about a natural disaster...but much of this suffering and DEATH was created by bureaucracy and clear-cut stupidity.

Everyone who voted to put off upgrading the levies should be fired. Everyone who decided not to have disaster drills at FEMA should be fired. Everyone who hired incompetent people to such important positions should be fired. Everyone who had anything to do with any of the millions of little snags that lead to the biggest slaughter in recent memory should be fired. They should all be fired and discredited and never allowed to work in their respective industries again.

And they should be happy that we don't stick their heads on pikes in front of every government building from Maine to Hawaii as a warning.

Name · 09-08-2005, 09:40 PM

The sick part is, almost everyone that is involved with the decisions you mentioned, will get nice fat pensions when their done.

(all speculation, not based in fact at all, just my opinion based on past experience. i.e. the SD city council members that were found guilty in the strippergate stuff down here in SD are going to still receive nice pensions)

Scrooge McSam · 09-09-2005, 10:45 AM

Maybe more "management" than "mismanagement", but anyway...

CNN reporting FEMA director Michael Brown being sent back to Washington; Homeland Security Director Chertoff to announce new leader for on-the-ground Katrina relief efforts.

No link yet

scaeagles · 09-09-2005, 10:46 AM

I hears the replacement will be the head of the Coast Guard's relief effort, but I can't remember his name.

Motorboat Cruiser · 09-09-2005, 10:54 AM

You're doing a fine job, Brownie. Now get the hell out of the way.

09-08-2005, 02:25 PM	#101
scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	Very interesting quote from what Nephy posted - "...what they have said consistently is, and what they told the Red Cross, we don't want you to come in there, because we have evacuees that we want to get out. And if you come in, they're more likely to stay. So I want your listeners to follow me here. At the very moment that Ray Nagin, the Mayor of New Orleans was screaming where's the food, where's the water, it was over the overpass, and state officials were saying you can't come in." Hmmm.....
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09-08-2005, 02:26 PM	#102
tracilicious avatar transition Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: in-between Posts: 2,487	Did anyone catch the Daily Show last night? I can always count on Jon Stewart to be there for me with humorous roasting of people who deserve it. In his segment, "Meet the Fckers" he pointed out that the people who are always chanting that people just want to play the "blame game" are always the ones to blame. I wish I could marry that man. __________________ And now Harry, let us step into the night and pursue that flighty temptress, adventure! - Albus Dumbledore*
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09-08-2005, 02:36 PM	#105
Morrigoon I throw stones at houses Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Location: Location Posts: 9,534	scaeagles: I can understand the line of thinking there, but again we have a major failure, not just of communication, but also this: if they wanted them to leave, they should have made leaving immediately possible. Under their arguments, one would have to believe that someone let people die to set an example - in which case I think some arrests need to be made. __________________ http://bash.org/?top "It is useless for sheep to pass a resolution in favor of vegetarianism while wolves remain of a different opinion." -- William Randolph Inge
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09-08-2005, 08:55 PM	#106
Cadaverous Pallor ohhhh baby Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Parental Bliss Posts: 12,364	Five people have died of cholera. I heard that they had open wounds in their legs and had walked through the nasty water. I heard an interview today on the radio with people that are still sticking it out in NO. I found it very illuminating regarding why some people won't leave. The men the reporter talked to boasted about how great their city was, because "you can eat on a dollar a day - 5 dollars will feed you for a week in NO." These people were poor and were used to squeezing the most out of what they had. Their living conditions weren't great to begin with. As a result, these people a) believe that they can overcome anything and b) feel such a hardcore connection with their city that they don't even contemplate leaving. Seeing what's happened to those that left probably isn't helping either. One of the guys they talked to was sweeping away junk from a storm drain so that the water could go down easily as it was being pumped out. He was standing in the water and the reporter pointed out to him, obvious concern in her voice, that he had a bandaid on his foot. He said "yes, I know about the bacteria, I scrub my feet with hydrogen peroxide every time I get out of this water." He spoke like an intelligent human being...it was horrible to listen to, thinking that this man could very likely die. In an earlier report I heard another reporter regarding the holdouts. He said he went into a home that was dank and filled with the stench of rot and found an old woman who had been to the horror of the Superdome...and decided she'd rather stay home than be there. The in-studio reporter asked him what these people were planning for the long term - can they eat MREs for 3 months? - and he said "these people just aren't thinking farther ahead than one day at a time." What has happened there is every bit as horrible as anything we can imagine. These people are deer in headlights. I'm sure if you compared this to the Holocaust or Hiroshima people would be horribly offended that I'd speak this way about a natural disaster...but much of this suffering and DEATH was created by bureaucracy and clear-cut stupidity. Everyone who voted to put off upgrading the levies should be fired. Everyone who decided not to have disaster drills at FEMA should be fired. Everyone who hired incompetent people to such important positions should be fired. Everyone who had anything to do with any of the millions of little snags that lead to the biggest slaughter in recent memory should be fired. They should all be fired and discredited and never allowed to work in their respective industries again. And they should be happy that we don't stick their heads on pikes in front of every government building from Maine to Hawaii as a warning. __________________ The second star to the right shines in the night for you
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09-08-2005, 09:40 PM	#107
Name Title Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: here Posts: 779	The sick part is, almost everyone that is involved with the decisions you mentioned, will get nice fat pensions when their done. (all speculation, not based in fact at all, just my opinion based on past experience. i.e. the SD city council members that were found guilty in the strippergate stuff down here in SD are going to still receive nice pensions) __________________ Signature
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09-09-2005, 10:45 AM	#108
Scrooge McSam What? Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,635	Maybe more "management" than "mismanagement", but anyway... CNN reporting FEMA director Michael Brown being sent back to Washington; Homeland Security Director Chertoff to announce new leader for on-the-ground Katrina relief efforts. No link yet
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09-09-2005, 10:46 AM	#109
scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	I hears the replacement will be the head of the Coast Guard's relief effort, but I can't remember his name.
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09-09-2005, 10:54 AM	#110
Motorboat Cruiser Cruiser of Motorboats Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: So Cal Posts: 3,665	You're doing a fine job, Brownie. Now get the hell out of the way.
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