Katrina Response Mismanagement

[SacTown Chronic]

Go buy stock in Halliburton -- that'll cheer you up.

No bid contracts for all my friends!

[Nephythys]

Originally Posted by PanTheMan

BUT, the GOP are the only ones who did it , now weren't they? Perhaps if the GOP didn't bring the entire Government to a GRINDING halt over a BJ for 3 years, and all were busy Governing, we MIGHT have been able to see 9/11 coming.

wow- way to avoid reality. Clinton was impeached for perjury- you know, lying under oath?


throwing out the red herring of BJ's

[PanTheMan]

Perjury about a BJ. What should have been between Hilary, Him and Monica. Have you read the Star Report? WOW, reads like penthouse letters.

When i was in the Air Force, I stood right below Ronald Reagan, whle i was stationed in England, listenening to him give a speech to the British public and media, where he swore that our Base did not have Nukes. Right before the speech he toured the area where we kept the Nukes. They ALL Lie.

It's not like he lied to the country about reasons for going to war or anything, I hope a president NEVER does that....lol

Originally Posted by Nephythys

wow- way to avoid reality. Clinton was impeached for perjury- you know, lying under oath?


throwing out the red herring of BJ's

[scaeagles]

Lies about national security issues take place all the time. Nature of the business. As someone who was in the airforce, you should know that. Didn't Carter say during his campaign in the 70s that he was going to get to the bottom of the UFO issues and tell the American people? Couldn't do it - national security issue. Also, not under oath. Lying is not illegal unless you are.

I would agree with you, Pan, about it belonging between Clinton, Hillary, and Monica, except for the fact that these things took place in the Oval Office, at times while foreign leaders were waiting to meet with him.

I would suspect that if the the CEO of a major corporation was getting a BJ in his office prior to a stockholders meeting there might be some cries for his resignation or ouster.

If he's gonna do it elsewhere, when he doesn't have other things he should be concentrating on, OK - I'm with you. But that's not how it happened.

[PanTheMan]

Originally Posted by scaeagles

I am.....depressed. Many of you may not agree with my reasoning, but many will also be shocked by what I am saying.

My major criticism of Bush has always been that he spends money. Lots of money. Too much money. Granted, all spending bills originate in the House, but he's got a veto pen. He hasn't vetoed anything, much less a spending bill. So what does he do last night? He basically promises everyone everything. This is nothing but an attempt to buy his way out of political trouble for the slow response to the disaster. And as everyone here knows, I don't hold the feds responsible for most of the damage, delays, or death. I know there is debate on it, but that's not my point.

In Mississippi, the governor has made it well known that he expects insurance companies are going to take care of everything. If insurance policies were purchased, then the damn well better. But with Bush promising the farm in LA, that incentivizes delays by insurance companies.

I am not meaning to sound insensitive. Help is one thing. Disaster aide. Relocation assistance. But to promise to rebuild it better than it was before? To eliminate poverty from the region? How the hell can anyone do that? Some 5 trillion dollars of wealth transfers over the last 50 years hasn't done squat to eliminate it.

I have lost all hope of the vision of Reagan for smaller federal government. With the SC eliminating states rights and an ever stronger federal government pulling the purse strings, there is no hope any longer.

I am completely disillusioned. Hopefully Carville won't have a chance to nab me again, because I'd be pretty vulnerable to being brainwashed right now.

The sad thing is I know the dems would be no better about it. So where to go? It is most certainly now, for me, the lesser of two evils. I have no hope any longer. The republicans have had power in the House and Senate for over a decade, with a Republican President for half of it. Yet the spending continues to increase, the promises of taking care of the populace continue to increase (not just this, but stuff like medicare prescription coverage, etc), and government grows ever bigger.

I want to puke.

I believe there are still MANY Republicans who believe in a smaller federal Government. Bush has promised the Farm since day one. From here on out for him it will all be about trying to recover his ratings. But at Last it seems the country has awaken, and see's that the Emporor has no clothes. The Hundreds of billions of dollars we have spent on 'Homeland Security' to streamline our response to any attack or disaster, has been exposed as the largest scam in the country's history.

One thing we must relize is SOCIETY IS ONLY AS STRONG AS IT'S WEAKEST LINK. With that Politics is like a pendulim swinging from left to right. It is true you cant make all of the people happy all of the time, but if you can keep all the people happy ever 10 years or so, you can continue with the status quo.

Look at the Idiots on the Religious right- Abortion will never be illegal, yet it is the one issue the GOP dangles in front of them to keep them on thier side. If Jesus were walking the streets of America today, it is the social programs and care of those on the bottom of the pile that the DEMS offer that would attract him. (Not to mention an anti-death penalty stance, you remember, throwing the first stone and all)

So, Go ahead and Puke, but know this has been going on for over 200 years here. Why do you think we have such a problem with a self medicated society?....lol. We have always been told what to do by a government with a split personality.

[Prudence]

It's an over simplification, but the "conservative" party is no longer conservative about spending or government involvement. "Conservative" now means social conservative. No only that, but it's willing to be pretty damn liberal with spending and government involvement to enfore its social conservatism.

"Conservative" and "liberal" -- and by extension "Republican" and "Democrat" -- are assumed to indicate how someone feels about homosexuals, television programming, and prayer in schools.

[PanTheMan]

And you think Lying about a BJ was worth tying up the Government and costing the billions that it did was worth it?

Reagan AVOIDED LYing under oath in the Iran-Contra scandal by invoking Executive priveledge. Had Clinton invoked E.P. we would all have assumed he was guilty of God Knows what. ( I think the GOP thought this would be the case) From there the flood gates would have opened on accusations of all sorts of wrong doing.

But when in over 2 hours of testemony, it was found, he didn't Lie about Whitewater, Vince Foster, or numerous other accusations, it came down to a 5 second answer lying about his PERSONAL SEX LIFE that got him Tried for impeachment.

Do you know what a JOKE the USA looked like to the rest of the World?

Originally Posted by scaeagles

Lies about national security issues take place all the time. Nature of the business. As someone who was in the airforce, you should know that. Didn't Carter say during his campaign in the 70s that he was going to get to the bottom of the UFO issues and tell the American people? Couldn't do it - national security issue. Also, not under oath. Lying is not illegal unless you are.

I would agree with you, Pan, about it belonging between Clinton, Hillary, and Monica, except for the fact that these things took place in the Oval Office, at times while foreign leaders were waiting to meet with him.

I would suspect that if the the CEO of a major corporation was getting a BJ in his office prior to a stockholders meeting there might be some cries for his resignation or ouster.

If he's gonna do it elsewhere, when he doesn't have other things he should be concentrating on, OK - I'm with you. But that's not how it happened.

[PanTheMan]

And as for Carter and the UFO's.....lol....

Now there is a National Priority!!!..Where is the outrage!!...lol

I NEED Answers to that Anal probing! ....lol

[scaeagles]

You completely missed my point, Pan.

Personal sex life is not so personal when you are doing it in your office with an intern before meetings with foreign dignitaries.

We disagree, and that's fine.

[scaeagles]

Originally Posted by PanTheMan

And as for Carter and the UFO's.....lol....

Now there is a National Priority!!!..Where is the outrage!!...lol

I NEED Answers to that Anal probing! ....lol

Again, you missed the point. The UFO thing was about...you guessed it....national security, because most of the stuff reported is sightings of secret aircraft.